Can you smoke a store bought ham (Spiral or otherwise) ?

We called uncured hams, fresh hams. It's just the back leg "hind quarter" and you roast it like a roast beef, or fresh loin of pork.
It tastes like pork, not ham. You have to be careful to not overcook it as it's lean. My German Grandmother always made a fresh loin of pork or fresh ham for big dinners, always with a brown gravy from the drippings.
You almost never see them in supermarkets anymore, though I saw some for the first time in years this past Christmas, price was good and I almost bought one, but it would have been just myself eating it....
 
Never met a ham, or any consumable part of a pig for that matter, that I didn't love! Fresh ham is a nice change of pace sometimes because you give it the flavor you want - inject, rub/crust, roast, smoke, and so on. If you like working with a brined/cured ham that is uncooked, try Alton Brown's City Ham recipe. I like his way, but I smoke the first phase. In cold weather, it's awesome to smoke meat outdoors, then do the "wrap" phase indoors, without wrapping, to warm up the house and get the great odors. Man I'm hungry!!

BTW, why haven't I heard of a caterer or competitor called "Holy Smokes!"?
 
Fresh ham is plentiful here year round and super cheap. On average it does't cross over $2/lb. During Christmas, New Year, Easter they always put it on special for $0.99/lb and I've bought it as low as $0.69/lb. I smoked one last year for New Year's.

I usually remove the skin and save in for cracklings or something. You can definitely cook with the skin on. I had them cut the hock and I smoke it my itself to make schweinshaxe.


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Fresh hams AKA Leg of Pork are common here too. Less fat than in a shoulder, so smoking can lead to a dry product which is why they are generally brined / cured and turned into "ham". Terms are confusing. Just the nature of the beast.

Our Costco sells boned and rolled legs of pork. They are huge and a very good price for a smoke on a WSM at about 300F.
 
I am also a Big fan of smoking spirals. They are easy and great. The Costco hams seem to have more base smoke than Sams. The Sam's sprial hams are also excellent. My approach is similar to Malcom's. 140 target. Questions to consider:

- What orientation? Many say smoke fat down on the side, others sat cut side down. The package says cut side down. I go with cut side down, to keep the slides closed and retain moisture.

- Are you putting it on a rack in a pan, in a pan or on the rack of the smoker? I put it directly in a foil pan. I use those juices to mix the glaze packet - if I like the ingredients.

- Are you using a water pan? I use a water pan in the smoker with a spiral.

You can either apply the glaze just to the outside, cut side down. Or you can turn the ham on side and paint glaze between the slides - separating a gap between every slide and giving a quick swipe of the brush. I did that in my most recent smoke and it got raves. That method requires more glaze. I think that is also a way to introduce moisture back into the slices.

If I need more glaze: reduced maple syrup, brown sugar, cooking juice, dash of bourbon, maybe just a bit of dijon.

The smoked ham slices also cryo in the freezer very well.
 
You want to smoke low n slow. Spiral hams are already cooked and will dry out a lot faster then a non spiral ham. I would go 200F - 225F for an hour or two until the IT reaches 135-140F.
yes. For the spiral cut ones the edge of the spiral slices has a tendency to dry out so I put some kind of a glaze on before I put them in the smoker. That seems to keep the edges from drying.
 
For Easter one year on my weber kettle with smokenator attachment, I smoked a store bought cured ham....it was also farking good.
 
Bob, The uncured ham in my opinion does not have the tightness of texture that a cured ham does. The uncured ham does not taste "hammy". If the ham has not been cured, it tastes like roasted pork. Two reasons I can think of that people seek out the uncured ham might be they want to cure the ham themselves or they prefer the taste of the uncured ham. Another possibility is that they cannot consume the nitrates and salts that are used in the curing process due to dietary concerns.

Here is a link that might give you more information:

https://americasrestaurant.com/pork-shoulder-vs-ham/


Thanks. I never thought there would be a significant difference in front or back legs. Also, i knew fresh meant it wasn't cured, just was confusing why they call it Ham. Makes sense now that i know its a different cut from picnic.
 
Bob, The uncured ham in my opinion does not have the tightness of texture that a cured ham does. The uncured ham does not taste "hammy". If the ham has not been cured, it tastes like roasted pork. Two reasons I can think of that people seek out the uncured ham might be they want to cure the ham themselves or they prefer the taste of the uncured ham. Another possibility is that they cannot consume the nitrates and salts that are used in the curing process due to dietary concerns. ...
Sorry, you are the victim of a consumer fraud that is endorsed by the FDA.

What the "uncured" label means is that the sodium nitrite was not supplied in "chemical" form (whatever that means); it was supplied from vegetable juice, almost always celery. Celery juice is high in sodium nitrite but at some point the FDA decided that since the exact amount of sodium nitrite was supposedly difficult to determine, the supplier had to label his products "uncured." You will find the vegetable nitrite source listed high in the ingredients list. There is no intrinsic difference between meats cured conventionally and meats cured with vegetable juice.

There is quite a bit of flavor variation in hams from different producers. In addition to differences in pork breed, growing conditions and food, smoking time, and wood type, almost all hams are jazzed up with flavored water in order to sell that water to the unwitting consumer. This has been a long-term battle between the Weights & Measures regulators and industry, to the point where some suppliers jazz the hams beyond their capacity to absorb the water and there ends up being loose water in the bag. I was at a national W&M meeting a number of years ago and the Michigan guys showed a video of what they called "wet tare" cheating this way. The amount of water being sold as product was (almost literally) criminal. So ... the point is that flavor differences have nothing to do with where the sodium nitrite came from -- they are almost certainly due to other factors like the smoking and the flavored water.
 
Sorry, you are the victim of a consumer fraud that is endorsed by the FDA.

What the "uncured" label means is that the sodium nitrite was not supplied in "chemical" form (whatever that means); it was supplied from vegetable juice, almost always celery. Celery juice is high in sodium nitrite but at some point the FDA decided that since the exact amount of sodium nitrite was supposedly difficult to determine, the supplier had to label his products "uncured." You will find the vegetable nitrite source listed high in the ingredients list. There is no intrinsic difference between meats cured conventionally and meats cured with vegetable juice.

Hmmm, apparently the USDA sees things differently than the FDA. Celery juice can be used for curing, because it has natural nitrites. So the chemical "sodium nitrite" is not used.

USDA Definition: Hams may be fresh, cured, or cured-and-smoked. Ham is the cured leg of pork. Fresh ham is an uncured leg of pork. Fresh ham will bear the term "fresh" as part of the product name and is an indication that the product is not cured.

HAM, FRESH (or uncured): The uncured leg of pork. Since the meat is not cured or smoked, it has the flavor of a fresh pork loin roast or pork chops. Its raw color is pinkish red and after cooking, grayish white. Ham that does not contain a cure must be labeled either "Fresh" or "Uncured" - prepared without nitrate or nitrite. This also applies to cooked product, and must be labeled cooked product "Cooked Uncured Ham."

https://www.fsis.usda.gov/food-safety/safe-food-handling-and-preparation/meat/hams-and-food-safety
 
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Done it before...

Seems the only option these days. I've been trying to find a fresh ham to cook my way and have had no luck.

Waaaaay back before Katrina (2005), I got ahold of a whole fresh ham and did a bit of preservation of it...injected it with pink salt solution....and then smoked it.

That took almost 20 hours or so I think...I actually got the directions from this list I believe....I wonder if that thread is still on here?

Anyway, I would like to do that in the future myself....I think I had to just go ask my local grocery store to order a whole one for me.....and they obliged.

cayenne
 
... HAM, FRESH (or uncured): The uncured leg of pork. Since the meat is not cured or smoked, it has the flavor of a fresh pork loin roast or pork chops. Its raw color is pinkish red and after cooking, grayish white. Ham that does not contain a cure must be labeled either "Fresh" or "Uncured" - prepared without nitrate or nitrite. This also applies to cooked product, and must be labeled cooked product "Cooked Uncured Ham."
Yes. Ambiguous, sorry. I interpreted @Juggy's post to be referring to the common vegetable-juice-cured hams and other meats that are labelled "uncured." I get a good laugh every time I go to Trader Joe's and look in their display case, which is full of this stuff.

I was not referring to the raw pork leg muscles that are sometimes labeled as uncured/aka fresh ham. I didn't think @Juggy was referring to this raw meat when he talked about its taste and texture. (For those interested, the book "Drying Pork" has quite a bit of information on making raw pork into ham. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1581572433 )
 
A slight deviation

Hi all,

First, THANK YOU for all the input on the "double smoke" ham.

Reading through the whole thing, got me to thinking about the whole FRESH ham thing.

I recall doing one and searched the forum...and yep it seem it was about 2004 when I tried it.

I did several posts about it and this one:

https://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9930&highlight=ham

Had someone point me to recipes by "Dr. Chicken". I've tried searching but don't see those links anywhere that I must have had then and followed.

It seems I'd found a few recipes for brining and injecting a fresh ham including the nitrates / pink salt ...

Does anyone know the Dr. Chicken page(s) that I might have found.

So far nothing comes up when doing advanced search with user Dr Chicken....and other searching just too much to figure WTF I was finding back then.

I'm not doing it likely till after first of the year....but I wanna do a whole fresh ham that I cure myself in my offset smoker at some point.

As usual...thank you in advance,

cayenne
 
I interpreted @Juggy's post to be referring to the common vegetable-juice-cured hams and other meats that are labelled "uncured." I get a good laugh every time I go to Trader Joe's and look in their display case, which is full of this stuff.

I've seen hot dogs that were labeled "Uncured Beef Hot Dogs" and the label states things like "Not Preserved" and "No nitrites or nitrates added", with "added" as the key word. However the ingredients list "Cultivated Celery Powder".

Look into a product called EcoCure #1, and #2. It's made by The Sausage Maker and for now... it's alternate for home curing. It has not been approved for commercial use yet. Two Guys and a Cooler are using it in some of their videos. Very pricy.

Funny you should mention vegetable juice cured hams. I use an injectable curing brine with a vegetable broth (Kitchen Basics brand) but it has phosphates, Cure #1, salt and sugar. In a nutshell you inject an amount equal to 10% of the meat weight, then cure for 12 to 14 days. Here is a ham from a pork butt, and the shoulder picnics are just as nice.

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Had someone point me to recipes by "Dr. Chicken". I've tried searching but don't see those links anywhere that I must have had then and followed.

It seems I'd found a few recipes for brining and injecting a fresh ham including the nitrates / pink salt ...

Does anyone know the Dr. Chicken page(s) that I might have found.

Okay, you asked for it... it's a recipe & technique by Dave Spence, this was popular on the original BGE forum in the early 2000's.

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Posted by Jim Minion on April 20, 2003 at 12:07:40:

Dr. Chicken’s Double Smoked Ham

Ham should be a fully cooked or partially cooked ½ shank variety or can be shoulder variety (water added can be used, as long as the water added does not exceed 23% water added product.) If it is pre-smoked with hickory, that seems to work out best. Patti/Jean or Cooks among the best, but other varieties can be used!

Glazing Sauce:
½ cup brown sugar
¼ cup maple syrup (use dark grade B real maple syrup if available)(dark grade B has more flavor than grade A)
¼ cup honey
2 Tbsp cider vinegar
1 – 2 Tbsp Worcestershire sauce
2 Tbsp instant coffee granules (use a good brand because it makes a difference)
1 Tbsp dry ground mustard
2 Tbsp orange juice concentrate (a good brand provides better flavor)
Blend all ingredients in a sauce pan with a wire whip and heat slightly until everything combines into a viscous or thick looking sauce.

Cooking instructions:
Score outer skin of ham to a depth of ½ inch in a crisscross diamond pattern. This will allow the glazing sauce to penetrate below the skin, into the actual ham. Place ham (un-glazed) into a shallow roasting pan or roasting rack. If pineapple and cherries are desired on the outside, add them when you start the glazing process. Cook in oven @ 275° – 300° with a loose tent of aluminum foil over the top for 25 to 30 minutes per lb. Baste with glazing sauce the last hour of cooking time and continue to cook until the ham reaches an internal temperature of 140°. Remove from oven and allow to sit covered for 20 to 30 minutes before carving!

Cooking instructions for outdoor cooking:
This can be done on a grill over indirect heat or in a water smoker or other type of cooker, again over indirect heat or “low & slow” type cooking. Do not tent over ham if done on grill, water smoker or other cooker; this would prevent smoke from penetrating the ham.
Place water soaked chunks of mesquite, hickory or pecan (we prefer the smoke of pecan over all the others) on coals 5 minutes before putting ham on cooker. This will allow the ham to obtain maximum smoke flavor during the second cook cycle. ( the first cook cycle is the cycle the processor uses.) If even more smoke flavor is desired, place ham in freezer for 1 to 1 ½ hours prior to cooking to allow outer edges of ham to start to freeze. Go easy on this procedure; you don’t want the ham frozen hard!
Maintain temperature of cooker/grill at 225° to 275° during cook cycle.
If using a water smoker, fill water pan ¾ full with hot water and add 2 cups of orange, pineapple, or orange/pineapple mix, sweetened grapefruit or apple juice to the water. (all of them act as tenderizer as the steam penetrates the meat.) (I use a ¾ full drip pan when cooking on the Eggs, filled with a 50:50 mix of water and orange juice.)

Again, cook for 25 to 30 minutes per lb. until internal temp on the ham shows 140°. A couple of books suggest 145° and 160° respectively. Shirley O. Corriher in her book “CookWise” suggests 140°. We found this to be exactly right. After removing from the Egg, it will climb up to 145° internally. The ham will retain it moistness and the flavor will go thru out the ham this way.

Baste ham with glazing sauce every 10 to 15 minutes during the last hour of cooking time. Glazing compound will burn, so do not start glazing the ham until the internal temp of the ham reaches 120°.

NOTE: The secret to this process is plenty of smoke and the real maple syrup and granular coffee crystals in the glazing sauce. Use a cheaper cut of ham like mentioned before, and people will think you bought an expensive ham that you had to “hock” your kids for! Yuk! Yuk! (see my pun there?) The glazing sauce will give the ham a fantastic taste, smell and color!
Enjoy!!! El Chefo Dave (aka: Dr. Chicken)

Note: Use an injectable marinade such as Tony Chachere’s Pecan-Honey-Praline in the ham just before cooking to “explode” the flavor of the ham. Be sure to use it @ the recommended rate of 2 fl. Ozs. per pound. It really does take that much to do the job right!

Dr. Chicken’s Sweet Kiss of Death Injectable Marinade
First off, let me give a little background into the idea behind this injectable marinade and the reasoning behind it.
Years ago, my Grandma and my Mom both cooked such delightfully good hams at Christmas time; it would make your head swim in delight. The aroma would make our house smell good for days!
Tender, sweet, moist (most of the time) and just plain scrumptious, it was a memory like all of us have. I always wanted to duplicate the recipe. But, by the time I got around to asking my Mom about it, she was nearly bed ridden and had trouble remembering yesterday much less 40 to 50 years ago. Mom passed away 2 years ago last Valentines Day in 2000. But, I’ve continued to search and work at that memorable cooked ham.
Five years ago, I took a challenge from my oldest brother to duplicate that recipe in an outdoor cooker. He said, “It can’t be done!” Any of you that have tried my “Dr. Chicken’s Double Smoked Ham” recipe knows that remark was not true then and is not true now!

But, in all honesty, even the double smoked ham recipe left something to be desired. Sometimes it left the ham tasting great, but a little too dry. I believe it was Earl or Sprinter or GFW from the BGE user’s forum that suggested I use an injectable marinade in the ham, such as Cajun Injector’s or Tony Chachere’s Honey-Pecan-Praline marinades. Believe me, they both did a great job, but neither of them added the “punch” like I wanted. So, I have kept on trying.

Well folks, I think I have come up with what I wanted. Either recipe is a winner, but using them both on the same ham will result in by far the most fantastic tasting ham you will ever try.
Please give both recipes a try! You will love the results! I hope too, it will become a “family tradition” like my Mom’s and my Grandma’s was in our family.

Ingredients:
1 Cup of Good clean water (if your city or well water has an offensive taste, please use bottled water)
1 Cup of light Karo syrup (make sure it is light Karo brand syrup)
1/8 Cup of Amaretto liqueur (use the real stuff it makes a difference)
2 TBS of Watkins brand Butter Pecan extract (this is the only Butter-Pecan extract I could find)
1 TBS of Rum extract (again, I used Watkins because of the better taste than store bought)
1 tsp (this should be ¼ tsp) of Orange extract (this compliments the orange juice concentrate used in the glaze or basting sauce)
1 to 2 TBS Vanilla extract (again, I used Watkins because of taste after the first run)

Directions for blending:
Into a medium size sauce pan add the water, Karo syrup and Amaretto. Stir frequently and heat very slowly to avoid scorching the sugars in the syrup.
Then, add all the remaining ingredients and continue to stir and heat slowly. When the mix looks uniform in color and smooth, remove mix from the stove and allow it to cool to almost room temperature.

Directions for use:
Wrap ham in 2 layers of plastic wrap before starting the injection process.
Using a marinade hypodermic syringe, inject at least 2 fluid ozs. Per pound of meat in a grid pattern through out the entire ham and don’t be afraid to use up to 3 ounces per pound of meat.
Continue to inject the marinade into the ham until the entire amount of marinade is injected evenly into the ham.
Cook the ham as shown in the “Double Smoked Ham” recipe. Be sure to you your favorite wood for smoke flavoring.
Do not cook the ham beyond 145° internal to prevent over cooking and drying out the ham.
Enjoy this recipe and let me know what you think!
Cheers,
Dr. Chicken (aka: Dave Spence)
 
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