SRF Wagyu brisket...Which to buy

[punchy]

definitely sounds interesting.

 

[Sooner21]

Just stumbled into this thread - really looking forward to some more info. I have a new The Good One that could use some quality meat!


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[EricD]

This sounds great! I'm glad I read this thread. I don't do competitions but would love to get one of these briskets.
Anyone in the New England area want to split a case with me? (Can't hide $400 from the wife!)

 

[Nvoges]

I'm definitely following this thread, I'd love to cook up a few for home use. Thanks for putting this together!

 

[Right on Q]

I did some research a few weeks ago on other waygu ranches in the US. Couldn't find any that would sell to consumers. Anyone have any other sources for good quality waygu at a reasonable price?

Also, if you buy SRF on the BOGO deal they have once a year its about the same price as the mysterious ranch we are talking about right?

 

[offshore_SoLA]

I did some research a few weeks ago on other waygu ranches in the US. Couldn't find any that would sell to consumers. Anyone have any other sources for good quality waygu at a reasonable price?

Also, if you buy SRF on the BOGO deal they have once a year its about the same price as the mysterious ranch we are talking about right?

youre incorrect - you can buy from the other 3 wagyu ranches but you must get in line and the purchase typically is a minimum 2000lb pallet. SRF doesn't own their own cattle.. and most of their cattle are not wagyu.. there are only 40000 head of wagyu cattle in the united states.. do the math.

one big meat producer butchers 10000 head daily in one facility..

I wonder how many times I should have to repeat this.

 

[Burnt at Both Endz]

im telling yall ..do your research. make some calls. I could take the ones i get ..trim some of that beautiful white fat off and call it a "competition cut" then jack the prices up to a ludicrous level and call it a day...BUT

BBQ is supposed to be enjoyable and AFFORDABLE for all..

is wagyu better? yes but only if its true 100% wagyu... at the very best most of what is sold as wagyu is a f1 hybrid cross with an angus.

there are 4 ranches presently and roughly 40,000 head of wagyu cattle in the united states. To put that into perspective - there isn't enough wagyu beef to supply one or 2 large chains of steak houses. You have to find the ranches and deal with them directly. And no .. you can't buy just one.

The cows grow extremely slow, are much smaller than our hearty american breeds, and the mortality rate of the calves is high ..sometimes >10%. its a very weak breed, but very tasty.

Lastly, until im certain some douche canoe won't resell my wagyu source at some retarded pricepoint .. i won't give away my legwork. And yes .. people have already attempted to do it. Luckily - my source notified me that this was happening and ended it.

Remember - BBQ is supposed to be AFFORDABLE

oh ..if one of yall happen to be close to me ..or are passing through lafayette.. i'll happily sell you one for my cost provided you give me your word you won't go do the douche canoe thing... which presently is roughly $6/pound + $1.20/pound shipping (2 day fedex).


*i should note that I'm not knocking SRF at all. They are welcome to charge whatever they want..as people are certainly welcome to pay whatever they want...

Okay! I'll bite on this....

Do you know that it makes a difference if they cross them with Black Angus or Red Angus cattle?

 

[srfannella]

Hey there just wanted to jump in and make a couple of points. Regarding SRF briskets, we do our very best to provide the highest quality, most consistent brisket out there and would like to think the stats reflect this. A lot of folks love them and do really well with them. Others cook what they prefer and there is nothing wrong with that. To each their own. That's the great thing about BBQ, no one is telling you that you HAVE to cook a particular grade or brand for that matter.

If anyone would like to know more about SRF and our actual program, including breeding practices and genetics I'm more than happy to chat with you. We’ve never claimed to sell 100% Kobe, but we do have purebred herds that are used in our program. I have been with SRF for 10 years, have been focused on BBQ for the last 5 of those, and trust me when I say we take what we do very seriously. I actually tend to take comments probably a bit more personally than I should, and always want to make sure people know the facts about this awesome company I work for. You see, we are a family owned company that has been in business for 49 years and take pride in everything we do and every product we produce.

offshore_soLa I’m not sure where you’ve done your research or are getting your information but we do in fact own our own cattle. And all of the cattle in our SRF program are American Wagyu. From the pasture to the plate we are involved in every step of the process. We don’t only produce American Wagyu, we have three other brands that grade out from Select to Prime. We are running no scam and we are incredibly transparent in our practices and pride ourselves on the consistency and quality of our product. I’ve personally been to our ranches, to our feeding operations, to our processing facility and I’ve seen cattle of all sizes. What makes our American Wagyu beef so delicious, and perfect for all different preparations, is the marbling. We feed for up to 3 times longer than commodity cattle (usually around 28 months) and when they are processed they usually weigh between 1500-1800 lbs. Commodity cattle, for reference are processed at between 12 – 18 months and weigh about 1200-1400 pounds. American Wagyu cattle are quite large and it is not uncommon to see briskets that are 20+ pounds that’s the advantage of cross-breeding.

At the end of the day I always say just cook your cook and leave it with the judges. And while I can’t speak for other companies that are raising or offering American Wagyu I am more than happy to discuss anything that we do at Snake River Farms with anyone who might be interested in learning more.

 

[Norm]

Thanks, finally someone who actually knows what they are talking about.

 

[srfannella]

Thanks, finally someone who actually knows what they are talking about.

I don't know that I'd go that far lol. But I am more than willing to help in any capacity. I just want to make sure everyone has the most accurate information possible before making a purchase.

 

[offshore_SoLA]

Hey there just wanted to jump in and make a couple of points. Regarding SRF briskets, we do our very best to provide the highest quality, most consistent brisket out there and would like to think the stats reflect this. A lot of folks love them and do really well with them. Others cook what they prefer and there is nothing wrong with that. To each their own. That's the great thing about BBQ, no one is telling you that you HAVE to cook a particular grade or brand for that matter.

If anyone would like to know more about SRF and our actual program, including breeding practices and genetics I'm more than happy to chat with you. We’ve never claimed to sell 100% Kobe, but we do have purebred herds that are used in our program. I have been with SRF for 10 years, have been focused on BBQ for the last 5 of those, and trust me when I say we take what we do very seriously. I actually tend to take comments probably a bit more personally than I should, and always want to make sure people know the facts about this awesome company I work for. You see, we are a family owned company that has been in business for 49 years and take pride in everything we do and every product we produce.

offshore_soLa I’m not sure where you’ve done your research or are getting your information but we do in fact own our own cattle. And all of the cattle in our SRF program are American Wagyu. From the pasture to the plate we are involved in every step of the process. We don’t only produce American Wagyu, we have three other brands that grade out from Select to Prime. We are running no scam and we are incredibly transparent in our practices and pride ourselves on the consistency and quality of our product. I’ve personally been to our ranches, to our feeding operations, to our processing facility and I’ve seen cattle of all sizes. What makes our American Wagyu beef so delicious, and perfect for all different preparations, is the marbling. We feed for up to 3 times longer than commodity cattle (usually around 28 months) and when they are processed they usually weigh between 1500-1800 lbs. Commodity cattle, for reference are processed at between 12 – 18 months and weigh about 1200-1400 pounds. American Wagyu cattle are quite large and it is not uncommon to see briskets that are 20+ pounds that’s the advantage of cross-breeding.

At the end of the day I always say just cook your cook and leave it with the judges. And while I can’t speak for other companies that are raising or offering American Wagyu I am more than happy to discuss anything that we do at Snake River Farms with anyone who might be interested in learning more.

please explain in bold. And don't change the goal post - what you've typed here is quite disingenuous at best.

I'll fill you all in... when they mention cross breed ..that automatically is an f1 hybrid... which isn't a wagyu cow any longer (but some of us are led to believe that). Companies have lobbied to only be required to have a cow that is 50% wagyu to be sold as wagyu or "american wagyu" or "kobe style" ... the list goes on an on and on.


the rest of what youve stated is mostly true -

 

[Jason TQ]

Oh I forgot to ask. Offshore who do we buy your wagyu from?

 

[big brother smoke]

please explain in bold. And don't change the goal post - what you've typed here is quite disingenuous at best.

I'll fill you all in... when they mention cross breed ..that automatically is an f1 hybrid... which isn't a wagyu cow any longer (but some of us are led to believe that). Companies have lobbied to only be required to have a cow that is 50% wagyu to be sold as wagyu or "american wagyu" or "kobe style" ... the list goes on an on and on.


the rest of what youve stated is mostly true -

What is your experience and/or credentials working with cattle?
We know Annella's so why not understand yours?

Thanks,
Steph

 

[jasonjax]

What is your experience and/or credentials working with cattle?
We know Annella's so why not understand yours?

Thanks,
Steph

+1 ......

 

[mtime7]

What is your experience and/or credentials working with cattle?
We know Annella's so why not understand yours?

Thanks,
Steph

Not sure you need to be a cowboy to know when they say crossbred, it's hybrid. I always thought that Wagyu purchased in the US was crossbred with Angus. I am know cattle expert, nor claim to be.

 

[stepheneleven]

Didn't think this thread would be this interesting when I opened it. Thanks everybody.

 

[big brother smoke]

Not sure you need to be a cowboy to know when they say crossbreed, it's hybrid. I always thought that Wagyu purchased in the US was crossbreed with Angus, and I am know cattle expert, nor claim to be.

Yes, but you are not selling or pushing a product. So, if we are to take someone serious about spending money on something such as Wagyu, I personally want to know their credentials. So please step aside and let him state his credentials, sir!

 

[mtime7]

Yes, but you are not selling or pushing a product. So, if we are to take someone serious about spending money on something such as Wagyu, I personally want to know their credentials. So please step aside and let him state his credentials, sir!

he ain't raising the cattle, and he isn't selling it either, you should talk to people your purchasing from. He is simple pointing out different options. I didn't come here for a pissing contest, I am just waiting to find out this other option

 

[big brother smoke]

he ain't raising the cattle, and he isn't selling it either, you should talk to people your purchasing from. He is simple pointing out different options. I didn't come here for a pissing contest, I am just waiting to find out this other option

Agreed, so again, please step aside and let him state his credentials. You have what you need, I do not!

 

[srfannella]

please explain in bold. And don't change the goal post - what you've typed here is quite disingenuous at best.

I'll fill you all in... when they mention cross breed ..that automatically is an f1 hybrid... which isn't a wagyu cow any longer (but some of us are led to believe that). Companies have lobbied to only be required to have a cow that is 50% wagyu to be sold as wagyu or "american wagyu" or "kobe style" ... the list goes on an on and on.


the rest of what youve stated is mostly true -

I guess I'm not sure why you feel the need to call me or what I've said disingenuous as everything I've made comment of is nothing but the truth. That being said you've asked me to explain further and I'm not sure what you're looking for. I discussed the feeding times and processing weights of our cattle as well as what you can expect with commodity cattle. By cross breeding you do get larger animals. Larger animals means sometimes you get larger briskets. This is why we offer them at a variety of sizes trimmed to the latest NAMPS guidelines.

We've never said we sell 100% Japanese Wagyu we sell American Wagyu and yes it's a hybrid no one has ever said it's not. We do have 100% full blood Waguys as the base of our program. As far as my statemts being "mostly true" like I said, I probably take things too personally and I find that statement to be nothing less than offensive.

And nope, I'm not a cowboy, but we have cowboys that work for us and veterinarians and ranchers and farmers and a multitude of professionals who work tirelessly to provide the higest quality beef available. Again, I am more than happy to discuss any questions anyone might have further.