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Basically, what I am saying, the mechanism is in place to effect this type of solution. Preprinted checks that are filled in by the rep as they collect the W-9's from those that are needed. Why not use some of the money that come from the cooks to make the contest a contest of cooking and not a contest of which organizer is honest?

KCBS and MMA are one in the same in this case.
 
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Smoke'n Ice said:
Basically, what I am saying, the mechanism is in place to effect this type of solution. Preprinted checks that are filled in by the rep as they collect the W-9's from those that are needed. Why not use some of the money that come from the cooks to make the contest a contest of cooking and not a contest of which organizer is honest?

KCBS and MMA are one in the same in this case.
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Those checks are MMA. The true organizer of the competitions. KCBS has the same role there as any comp. They never touch the money.
 
Undoubtly, there is an accounting person at MMA that is getting paid to produce the blank checks, reconcile the bank account, and do the 1099 reporting.
 
If one were to look at the KCBS books, one would find a rather large sum of money paid to MMA every year for handling marketing, publicity, etc. Sam's is just one of the things that they do for KCBS.
 
The points that I have been trying to make in this thread is:
1. KCBS did in fact guarantee the pay outs at one time
2. KCBS did in fact require letters of credit from the organizers prior to the contest
3. KCBA changed these requirements because of organizer resistance
5. KCBS does have the mechanism in place to effect the changes if the membership is adamant about it.
 
I have a question for those who remember: During the years that KCBS had the prize fund guarantee and letter of credit requirement in place, did KCBS ever actually make good on a contest prize fund? Does anyone remember a contest name, year, amounts?
 
It just would make a lot more sense for KCBS to be the only creditor here for everyone, the organizer included. Instead they are going to let the organizer send small checks to all these teams over months and months. Since they feel the organizer is "sincere," maybe they should put their money where their mouths are, pay the prize money and then they can collect it all from him directly.
 
Let's look at realities for a second here.

We know the organizer is broke. This is the reason why the promised prizes weren't paid, because he doesn't have the money, not because it was absconded with or hidden in a bag somewhere. All the funds collected from the event have already been spent, so the organizer is trying to pay his obligations a little at a time from his personal monthly income.

There are only four ways teams will get paid now.

1) Some "Angel" appears and offers to pay off, perhaps because they want to run a future contest at the same site. This is the most unlikely possibility.

2) The organizer finds a way to pay, in full or in part, possibly in installments over time. This is supposedly what he is trying to set up, but there is some resistance from those owed.

3) KCBS steps up and pays. Since there is no contract between the organizer and KCBS that obligates this, it would be essentially a gift from KCBS that will never be recovered, financed by our membership and sanctioning fees.

4) The owed teams bring a lawsuit against the organizer either individually or as a group in small claims court. Assuming a judgement is delivered against the organizer, collection of debt from someone with no money is problematic, so you're back to #2, plus the legal fees incurred.

Any discussed about how contest default is dealt with in the future is a moot point for the teams affected by this particular event.
 
CivilWarBBQ;3103468 2) The organizer finds a way to pay said:
I can tell you that I did not resist the payment plan. Do we really have any choice? He told me that the first payment is going out this week. I'll post when it arrives.
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I will be right there with you matt!

I know i will never look at contests the same again, i had some false idea that kcbs was somehow in my corner, but i see even though they advertise the contest and prize pool, we are sol, buyer beware when it comes to contests you are on your own.

food for thought..
 
What the teams need to realize is that there is no one looking out for your team, except you.
If it is a first year contest, I would carefully think about the people and who is backing a new contest. Is it a casino? Deep pockets there. Is it someone who has done other contests successfully? Track record there. Does the contest look overly ambitious and have a large prize pool? Look deeper.

What KCBS could do is require a letter of credit from organizers of first year contests, who do not have substantial assets to back up a potential money losing contest.

Again, I feel sick for those who are waiting, and I pray that they are able to receive their money.
 
Q Haven said:
It just would make a lot more sense for KCBS to be the only creditor here for everyone, the organizer included. Instead they are going to let the organizer send small checks to all these teams over months and months. Since they feel the organizer is "sincere," maybe they should put their money where their mouths are, pay the prize money and then they can collect it all from him directly.
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Why should KCBS be held accountable? One person from KCBS was quoted as saying they thought the organizer was "sincere" about paying you. KCBS isn't going to "let" the organizer do anything. It is not within their control. I know you are pissed about not getting your money but you are really reaching here. Don't blame KCBS because the organizer can't run an event. With most events (this one included) there is a whole lot more than just a barbeque competition.

If you do want to give KCBS the responsibility (and power) of managing the prize pool, be prepared for the following:

A sanctioning fee for the organizers, cooks, and judges.
Mandatory KCBS membership for all team members to cook and judges to judge a KCBS event. Make sure to carry your card!
Higher entry fees. KCBS will need to pay for insurance as that will be the way any situations like this are resolved.
Tighter control of sponsors. Authorized banners only, etc.. Similar to what Walmart has done with the Sam's Club series.
Tighter control of equipment and supplies (i.e. You can only use Kingsford charcoal. The "official" charcoal of KCBS.
Less competition proceeds going to charities.

I could go on. Better watch what you wish for.
 
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i think without making KCBS financially responsible, they CAN make organizers accountable for the prize pool prior to the contest.. Like I said previously, we SEND KCBS the money 3-5 days out with the preset prize structure, and they send the reps WITH THE CHECKS. If KCBS does not receive the $$, they simply do not send the reps.

The excuse of this being administratively impossible is weak. Not only are there check writing programs out there that will print the checks unattended by simply entering the amounts, but it is a very small undertaking for any script kiddie to write a script that will take in the prize structure and print the checks. I wrote a simple excel program that allows me to enter in my prize pool total and then break it down to "N" places and calculate the payouts. This can very easily be made to print checks. KCBS has the resources to do this and it would not only give organizers the feeling we are getting some value added for our sanctioning fees, but it gives the teams a warm and fuzzy.
 
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Why should KCBS be held accountable? One person from KCBS was quoted as saying they thought the organizer was "sincere" about paying you. KCBS isn't going to "let" the organizer do anything. It is not within their control. I know you are pissed about not getting your money but you are really reaching here. Don't blame KCBS because the organizer can't run an event. With most events (this one included) there is a whole lot more than just a barbeque competition.

If you do want to give KCBS the responsibility (and power) of managing the prize pool, be prepared for the following:

A sanctioning fee for the organizers, cooks, and judges.
Mandatory KCBS membership for all team members to cook and judges to judge a KCBS event. Make sure to carry your card!
Higher entry fees. KCBS will need to pay for insurance as that will be the way any situations like this are resolved.
Tighter control of sponsors. Authorized banners only, etc.. Similar to what Walmart has done with the Sam's Club series.
Tighter control of equipment and supplies (i.e. You can only use Kingsford charcoal. The "official" charcoal of KCBS.
Less competition proceeds going to charities.

I could go on. Better watch what you wish for.
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Edited. Not worth it.
 
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