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I have 10 different smokers and grills as they all are good for something different. I like my charbroil barrel grill for wings as it is so leaky the lump charcoal burns very hot. Perfect for wings. Kettles of different sizes for turkey, hot dogs, burgers, smoking pork when I don't feel like going all out. A Kamado grill for winter. WSM 14.5" for portable competition cooker as I don't have a trailer yet. Smokey joe just because it was $5. A Uds in progress just for something new. Traeger junior elite for while I am at work the computer controls run it when I can't. Probably some I don't remember right now. I am after a bigger Kamado grill for more space.
 
I have a jumbo joe for travel.If you're cooking indirect it has the usable space of a mini wsm but no second rack.The lid is shallow and doesn't have the one touch. A 22" weber gold is a better choice.The ash catcher is worth the extra money.
 
I have 10 different smokers and grills as they all are good for something different. I like my charbroil barrel grill for wings as it is so leaky the lump charcoal burns very hot. Perfect for wings. Kettles of different sizes for turkey, hot dogs, burgers, smoking pork when I don't feel like going all out. A Kamado grill for winter. WSM 14.5" for portable competition cooker as I don't have a trailer yet. Smokey joe just because it was $5. A Uds in progress just for something new. Traeger junior elite for while I am at work the computer controls run it when I can't. Probably some I don't remember right now. I am after a bigger Kamado grill for more space.
I kinda know what you mean but there are still great all in ones.

All my cookers I'd consider all in one just different sizes, they all grill, high heat sear and smoke equally good. I will say the Big Poppa and Jumbo mini (jimmy) high heat sears a little better. For the most part i won't get something that doesn't do all things well.
 
after much more reading its either the akorn (supposedly the new model bottom vent and seal problems have been upgraded and fixed). i love the extra accessories it comes with especially the cast iron grate

or the wsm 14.5

both dont need much charcoal. ill give up kingsford because you guys say using lump is more efficient than briquettes. cleaning shouldnt be much of a hassle. also like the fact that i wont be needing to mod these two out of the box.

another day or two of more reading and youtube videos and ill finally be done
 
after much more reading its either the akorn (supposedly the new model bottom vent and seal problems have been upgraded and fixed). i love the extra accessories it comes with especially the cast iron grate

or the wsm 14.5

both dont need much charcoal. ill give up kingsford because you guys say using lump is more efficient than briquettes. cleaning shouldnt be much of a hassle. also like the fact that i wont be needing to mod these two out of the box.

another day or two of more reading and youtube videos and ill finally be done


Well, one costs $300 and the other $200. If the extra c-note is no problem I second the Akorn, unless trans-portability and storage are concerns.

I have a Vision-C kamado. I like it but it isn't going anywhere w/ me and I use the WSM a lot more. The 14.5 is easy to move around, take apart, clean, store, transport. If you need to add more fuel just lift off the body and top and add it. Small, convenient, easy to use.
 
i decided on the wsm 14.5 since its only 2 to 4 people tops. i will use my lodge sportsman for pure grilling. i think it was the best choice for me. im going to follow that harry soo guy tips on seasoning the smokey mountain.

this:

"My BBQ team Slap Yo Daddy BBQ from Diamond Bar, California, has been competing using these smokers which I bought off Amazon with free Prime shipping. They work flawlessly and are easy to use and clean up. Our WSMs regularly allow us to win Grand Championships even when we go up against other smokers costing over $15,000.

The key step once your smoker arrives is to ensure you season it properly. New WSMs will tend to overheat until you are able to get grease and gunk on the inside and around the rim where the lid sits to ensure an air tight seal. The fastest way to season is to do the following: Phase One - cover the water pan completely with aluminum foil and run a full load of lit Kingsford briquettes and let it run as hot as it can with no water in the pan (over 350 degrees) to burn off any manufacturing residue. Clean out the ash and proceed to phase two.

Phase Two - fill the charcoal basket 1/2 full of unlit briquettes. Then put in a 1/2 chimney of lit Kingsford briquettes in the middle. This will allow a slow burn for 3-5 hours at 72 degrees outside temperature. Adjust the vents to get 275 degrees on the dome thermometer. Put bacon strips, chicken parts, pork fat, or any other scrap meat you don't plan to eat. The key is to get fatty meats to generate lots of grease. Toss in a couple of tennis-sized wood chunks to generate smoke. Repeat Phase Two at least twice before you cook meat that you want to eat.

Phase Three - When you cook meat you plan to eat, take a tip from me and don't use any water in the pan. When I cook, I just cover the water pan with foil top and bottom. I foil it twice so I can remove the second layer after the cook and refoil it. That way, I don't have to clean my pan. It works just as well, AFTER YOU SEASON YOUR WSM, when you cook without water in the pan. Dry heat allows the crust to form faster on the meat (called the bark). Once the crust forms on the meat, you can introduce moisture. I just spray water with a regular spray bottle to encourage bark formation after the initial crusting (Maillard reaction) has begun. To test for properly formed bark, use your finger nail and scrape the meat surface. If the crust has formed, it will not come off when you gently scrape it with your fingernail. If the crust comes off, the bark has not set (still wet) so don't spray until it sets. Let it cook longer and check back in 15 mins. You'll get much better results this way. We've won many awards with this technique.

When it comes to cleaning your WSM, never wash the insides. Get a good grill brush and scrape down the insides and dome. You need the "aroma" which takes several years to build up. I NEVER mix my meat WSMs from my seafood and hotdog WSMs. Nothing destroys the aroma faster than cooking fish/seafood/hotdogs in a WSM used to cook chicken, ribs, pork, brisket, and tri tip. That's why you should buy a pair if you plan to cook seafood/fish/hotdogs. Better yet, get a Weber Kettle for those meats. Remember to always empty the ash from the bottom and grease on the foiled water pan to avoid fires and any rancid old oil smell before you cook. When you need to clean the grates, put the grates in a big plastic trash bag, put on gloves, and spray oven cleaner on the grates while in the bag and let sit for 1/2 hour. Hose off the grates. It's as easy as that. To clean the outsides, I use Simple Green spray.

Enjoy your WSMs. They are awesome and built to last.

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Updated March 18, 2014 - in response to questions on fire and temp management on the WSM-18, I added a link with more tips [...]

OK. A reader notified me that Amazon deleted my link to my bbq team website where I feature easy recipes of the backyard cook.
No worries, you can find it if you Google my team name. It's got pics and such. For the words, I cut and pasted the info for you as follows:

Fire Control

Before I describe how to season your new WSM, I want to explain the basics of fire control in a barbecue pit. Regardless of the pit you're using, they all have three major components that you'll need to learn to control to maintain proper cooking temperatures: 1) the air intake, 2) fuel you're using, and 3) the exhaust vent/chimney. I use Kingsford Blue briquettes so my description assumes you use the same fuel. If you use something else, your mileage will vary.

I've used KF Blue since I started competing in 2008 and with over two dozen Grand Championships and 80+ first places including a first place USA in chicken in the Kansas City Barbecue Society Team of the Year 2012; I know KF Blue works well. Besides, I buy them on sale in the summer months for half price and stockpile them for my classes and contest year where I use over a hundred 20-lb bags annually. Yes, I do use other types of fuel like lump charcoal and pellets but I like to compete using KF Blue (no, they are not my sponsor) because I can fly into any city in America and drive my rental car to Walmart to pick up one bag of KF Blue and win a Grand Championship.

In the WSM, there are three circular intake damper vents at the bottom that can be opened or closed as needed to allow more or less air to enter the pit. More air and the temperature goes up and less air causes the pit temperature to go down. The circular fire steel fire ring holds your charcoal and you can adjust the amount of charcoal depending on how long you need to run the pit.

If you run it for chicken (2 hours), you only need to fill the ring about 1/3 way. If you want to cook ribs (6 hours), you will fill it about 2/3 way. If you're cooking brisket and pork butt (> 12 hours), you want to fill it all the way going past the top of the charcoal ring until it is overflowing. Be sure to remove the excess briquettes that have fallen over the side of the charcoal ring. Do a bit of Jenga and create a volcano shaped crater at in the middle of the overflowing mound of charcoal by removing excess briquettes and returning them to the charcoal bag. When you're ready to start cooking, carefully dump a half charcoal chimney of lit briquettes into the crater. Over the next 12-16 hours, the briquettes will burn gradually outwards as the temperature stays constant. I cook my long haul meats at 250F and everything else (chicken, ribs, tri tip, beef ribs, etc) at 275F.

If you are using a full overflowing load of briquettes for a 12+ hour cook, the standard deep WSM water pan won't work because it sits too low and will bump up against the top of your briquettes. No worries. Just remove the deep water pan and use the silver aluminum heat shield instead. You need to unsnap the heat shield and wrap it in double layer of aluminum foil and use that ultra-light pan in place of the deep water pan. If you have access to a WSM circa 2008 and earlier, those older WSMs come with a shallow water pan that does not bump into the briquettes. Alternatively, you can go to Home Depot and get yourself a terra cotta planter base that's the same diameter as the WSM water pan. I don't like the terra cotta approach as it's added weight I have to carry when I transport my WSMs which have already accumulated over 100,000 miles of travel all over the US.

Of the three components I mentioned: intake, fuel choice and amount, and the exhaust, the most effective component to maintain constant temperature is not the intake nor the fuel. It's the exhaust. Many beginners I come across are not aware of that. All seasoned pitmasters know how to intuitively draft their pit using "clean" smoke to color and flavor their barbecue meats. The draft refers to the vacuum effect when you open or close the exhaust vent of your pit.

When you open the exhaust vent on the WSM, you allow hot air to leave the pit and this creates a vacuum suction to draw air in from the bottom intakes. Thus, by skillfully manipulating the top vent, you can control your WSM like a pro. Many beginners constantly fiddle with their intake dampers in hopes to maintain a constant temperature with less success than leaving the bottom vents untouched and fiddling with the top vent to control the draft within their WSM. In future articles, I'll address the mechanics of damper control on the WSM (e.g., old school versus automated blower systems) and the science on dirty smoke, white smoke, clean smoke, blue smoke, sour smoke, etc. For now, just give my technique a try and see if it works for you.

Once you have seasoned your WSM using the steps below, follow my technique to light your pit and leave one bottom vent open and the top vent half open. Allow your pit to come slowly up to temp (it may take 30-45 minutes). If the pit starts to over temp, gradually shut down the top vent and it will calm down. New WSMs invariably overheat until after half a dozen cooks so be prepared to cook with top and bottom vents all completely closed in your first few cooks. If you have the top vent completely open and one bottom vent completely open and your pit does not come up in temp, you can open a second bottom vent, followed by a third. Usually when you open the second or third, it means you're out of fuel. You can toss 20 briquettes through the fire door and be careful not to snuff out the fire. If your fire is already out, you have to light your briquettes before you toss them into the WSM.

Here's are a couple of tips if you need ramp up temps quickly. You can prop a ½ inch piece of wood to keep the WSM dome lid ajar. Alternatively, you can open the WSM fire door and let air in to crank up the temps. With both of these quick fix approaches, do not leave your WSM unattended as the temps could rise fast and you'll burn your meats."
 
"until you are able to get grease and gunk on the inside and around the rim where the lid sits to ensure an air tight seal."

It's not an absolute, but I personally think all Webers work better as an "insulated" cooker.....

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Congrats on your choice & this thread puts up a bunch of useful opinions for people to refer to in the future.....
 
any recommendations what i should try first? after seasoning i thought maybe a chicken, something easy just to get used to how it works. this shouldnt be rocket science but its wierd im nervous. its just food
 
Most folks here will say the Nekkid Fattie.....A Jimmy Dean sausage chub...with a little rub....smoke 'till 160 middle internal.....

Good stuff....nervousness is "Creative Tension".....channel the nerves & create something good........:clap2:
 
any recommendations what i should try first? after seasoning i thought maybe a chicken, something easy just to get used to how it works. this shouldnt be rocket science but its wierd im nervous. its just food
A spatchcocked chicken should take a little over an hour at 350°+ with the pan out. Bone-in pork butt is very forgiving and would be good if you want to do something longer.
 
agree with buckie

I would do a couple fatties. They are nice and greasy and will give you a head start on seasoning. And you can fiddle around with vent settings etc the fatties don't care

that's what I use for a new pit.
 
You could do chicken and a fatty! Fatty you can't really mess up. Chicken is very forgiving too. Plus, chickens can cook from 250-350 and it will be fine. Good, inexpensive piece of meat while you're still learning to control the fire for a ~2-3 hours cook. Ribs would be a great next step after that @4-5hrs.
 
just got it and starting assembly. any problems i might run into during assembly? just going by the manual.
 
just got it and starting assembly. any problems i might run into during assembly? just going by the manual.
You should have no problem if following the directions.

btw...go to HD or Lowes and buy another grate the same size as the charcoal grate that came with it. Lay it on top of the packaged grate at a 90° angle. It helps keep coals from falling through before they are sufficiently burned up.
 
i knew there was going to be a problem. cant get the thermometer rubber port in
 
brady, you're exactly like my best friend--you must be german lol. i just read this whole thread and i've been cracking up the whole time. how long did you take to decide from the beginning of this thread until you placed an order? Kudos, though, you are one thorough shopper.
 
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