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Who was the driving factor behind the decision to lower the purse and not give trophies to top 25 in TOY?
Time for all of us to start doing our homework, and decide which of the 2020 Board Nominees will be the most beneficial to the KCBS
https://www.kcbs.us/board_nominees.php
At this time, I am a "definite yes" on 2 new candidates (Cridlin and Wagner), "leaning yes" on an incumbent (Berry), and weighing the merits of a few others for a possible 4th vote.
Time for all of us to start doing our homework, and decide which of the 2020 Board Nominees will be the most beneficial to the KCBS
https://www.kcbs.us/board_nominees.php
At this time, I am a "definite yes" on 2 new candidates (Cridlin and Wagner), "leaning yes" on an incumbent (Berry), and weighing the merits of a few others for a possible 4th vote.
Who was the driving factor behind the decision to lower the purse and not give trophies to top 25 in TOY?
Time for all of us to start doing our homework, and decide which of the 2020 Board Nominees will be the most beneficial to the KCBS
https://www.kcbs.us/board_nominees.php
At this time, I am a "definite yes" on 2 new candidates (Cridlin and Wagner), "leaning yes" on an incumbent (Berry), and weighing the merits of a few others for a possible 4th vote.
If I can answer any questions about my positions feel free to ask
At the beginning of every year, KCBS should outline what is in it for the TOY chase. They should set a minimum of what is paid out, both monetarily and hardware. This doesn't mean that it couldn't be added to with the help of sponsors along the way. Currently, every contest is required to pay KCBS a flat fee plus an additional dollar amount per team that registers for the event. Currently, for contests under 50 teams it is $350 flat fee + $12 per team. For a 50 team, 4-meat comp, the KCBS receives $950. Why couldn't the KCBS increase the amount from $12 to $14, or $17 per team? The organizers could increase their fee to enter by that amount of increase. That increase should be set aside specifically for the TOY. KCBS talks about there being 500 contests around the world sanctioned by them. Let's assume it is only 450. If the average contest has 25 cooks, then at $2 per team would add up to $22,500 allocated for TOY. If it is $5 per team, we have $56,250 for TOY payout without any sponsors stepping up to add to the pot. A $5 increase in entry fee would add up to $150 for a team cooking 30 comps, which is nothing compared to what that team is spending to cook 30 comps anyway.
A $5 increase in what is collected by each contest could build out the TOY for teams cooking fewer contests as well. Having a defined TOY program at the beginning of each year would lead to less uncertainty and give the membership something to look forward to for their hard work throughout the year. Why wouldn't we want to reward the teams that are the biggest promoters of BBQ? Many former TOYs continue to be strong promoters of bbq and being part of the KCBS and having success on the circuit is part of what has helped propel their bbq story. We has an organization should celebrate this to be better stewards of our mission.
A Board member that can support this idea is someone that I would strongly support.
Michael Fay said:How do we pay for these programs? Until we can find corporate sponsors, we institute a one dollar drop per team per event to fund the prize pools for the teams. While this seems like another form of team self-funding it’s a way to get the programs off the ground and show potential sponsors their success and sponsor exposure potential.
Wow, Like you read my mind:mrgreen:
I think TOY needs to be meaningful. It should also be meaningful for the teams that only cook 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 times. If a team can win the 15 and under and the overall, more props to them. By having something meaningful to chase, then maybe the teams that cook 2 or 3 will then want to cook 2 or 3 more and so forth to be in the running for the chase.
When the Board focuses on the membership, like they did in the beginning, then you will re-build the excitement that drove this organization to 20,000 members.
Michael Fay said:We already have the system in place to reward smaller cooking teams, we just need to implement it.
Michael,
Can you expand on this?
I propose a multi team (one Master Class and 3-4 Backyard teams) points chase where the team’s member ToY points are combined to create a Master/Backyard points competition throughout the year. Organizers would be brought in by siting the team groups together when possible to allow the Backyard teams easy access to their mentors within the rules.
Is this a proposal to allow backyard team points count in the overall like they would be in the Master Series?
You are correct. Membership - specifically Cook membership is what drives this train. We need to retain current cooks and do our part to foster new cooks. We need to incentivize the low volume cook and work on wiping off the tarnish off the KCBS sanctioning brand to retain current cooks and bring more cooks into the KCBS fold.If we don't keep membership growing, or at least from falling, the IT issues, judging issues, Board transparency issues, etc doesn't really matter. If the membership is excited, the demand for contests will be there. Albeit, we need to figure out how to make contests more profitable for the organizers, because I heard one organizer mention that they made more money from a bake sale they hosted than the contest they organized. All of our other issues are just noise until we figure out the membership dilemma.
As far as contests go, there are a number of ways to help them as long as they want to accept help. As long as they do we should be there to guide and assist them.
A part of the “Problem” has been created by well seasoned competitors who think they deserve to GC more than they do. And that’s just a high altitude observation...
Guilty.
I really do deserve to win every time. Mr. Fay, how do you plan to fix that?
Ipecac