Better turn in your best...

[Big Poppa]

I had to google that....Thank god I didnt use lemon juice on my face

 

[ThomEmery]

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/crosse...e-stupid-too-stupid-to-realize-theyre-stupid/


Time saver

 

[TooSaucedToPork]

So ... are you filling out 2 score cards for every brisket box submitted w/ slices and burnt ends? 3 for every pork box with MM slices, pulled and chunks?

Or ... I have a slice that I would rate a 9, a burnt end I would rate a 5. Do I assign a score of 14?

That's how I could interpret that particular statement.

No sir,

My interpretation of the rule is that you score each item on its own, following the 2-9 criteria set forth on the scorecard. As the rules say only 1 scorecard per entry, and teams are not allowed multiple entries into the same category, only 1 score is allowed per entry...even if that entry has multiple items.

But you know this already.

 

[ModelMaker]

I believe the problem lies with some judges that have been judging for a long time who then in turn give advice and try to "educate" the new guys..I know for FACT there are a few judges here in Ca that always give 9's on appearance regardless of what's in the box..there is also another who squeezes chicken between the fingers to check for "tenderness"..these are the type of things that make cooks shake their heads and get upset at the whole process..it's the judges that judge by their own rules that hurt the good ones that actually judge by the stated rules..and btw the two I mention above one is a mcbj and the other is almost one..it's crazy to think how many contests they have skewed by their own judging standards

Why in the world would you be upset at a judge using his fingers to check or confirm tenderness? The judges oath taken before each contests specifically states "I do solemnly swear to objectively and subjectively evaluate each Barbeque meat that is presented to my eyes, my nose, my hands and my palate.
From my experience I see just as many judges do it than don't. What surprises me is the number of judges that don't take a good sniff before biting down on a piece of meat.
Ed

 

[big matt]

Why in the world would you be upset at a judge using his fingers to check or confirm tenderness? The judges oath taken before each contests specifically states "I do solemnly swear to objectively and subjectively evaluate each Barbeque meat that is presented to my eyes, my nose, my hands and my palate.
From my experience I see just as many judges do it than don't. What surprises me is the number of judges that don't take a good sniff before biting down on a piece of meat.
Ed

I'm not talking about picking up the piece to get a better smell I'm talking about squeezing and smashing..I don't have a problem with judges evaluating my food but on chicken in particular if you pick up my piece and start smushing it between your fingers your doing a couple of things..first your messing up the rub/sauce I have so painstakingly tried to make look very good with not a single finger print on it..now your fingertips are coated in rub/sauce and your hands are dirtier than if you would have just picked up the piece and taken a bite like a normal human being does..also to me and most humans tenderness of meat is decided when it's in our mouth not the hands.

 

[Big Poppa]

IT goes further with that judge...could now be urban legend.....but the real crime is the dissecting of the chicken and squeezing each part...actually breaking down every muscle and tendon on one side and then tasting the the other...Shouldnt tenderness be judged by eating it?

 

[Jorge]

IT goes further with that judge...could now be urban legend.....but the real crime is the dissecting of the chicken and squeezing each part...actually breaking down every muscle and tendon on one side and then tasting the the other...Shouldnt tenderness be judged by eating it?

I'll raise you several independent reports of a judge that only wanted to lick the skin. What do I win?

 

[Big Poppa]

my trailer and my cookers.

 

[ModelMaker]

I'll raise you several independent reports of a judge that only wanted to lick the skin. What do I win?

Are you kidding me.........aw never mind.
Ed

 

[tduffy]

I'll raise you several independent reports of a judge that only wanted to lick the skin. What do I win?

just as bad as the ones who take the skin off before they taste the chicken.
If you don't like BBQ or you are that picky of an eater you shouldn't be a judge

 

[Smitty250]

I got that beat. The last competition I did a few weeks ago I had a CBJ cooking with me to fulfill her Master CBJ requirement. She told me a story about this lady who judges fairly regularly in our area that always takes a bite of the meat chews a couple times then spits it all out into a napkin then she writes her scores down. After a while the judge that was cooking with me asked her what she was doing and she replied that she was a vegetarian and doesn't eat meat...

These are the people that are judging our food!

 

[DUBBAGA]

She told me a story about this lady who judges fairly regularly in our area that always takes a bite of the meat chews a couple times then spits it all out into a napkin then she writes her scores down. After a while the judge that was cooking with me asked her what she was doing and she replied that she was a vegetarian and doesn't eat meat...

 

[Okie Sawbones]

just as bad as the ones who take the skin off before they taste the chicken.
If you don't like BBQ or you are that picky of an eater you shouldn't be a judge

I pull the skin and the meat off, then eat the bone. It better be damn tender.

 

[big matt]

I got that beat. The last competition I did a few weeks ago I had a CBJ cooking with me to fulfill her Master CBJ requirement. She told me a story about this lady who judges fairly regularly in our area that always takes a bite of the meat chews a couple times then spits it all out into a napkin then she writes her scores down. After a while the judge that was cooking with me asked her what she was doing and she replied that she was a vegetarian and doesn't eat meat...

These are the people that are judging our food!

She needs to have her card revoked!..why in the world would you ever become a judge of meat is beyond me..look I think we can agree most judges take what they are doing seriously and are fair and impartial...it's that 2-5% that think they are there to judge THEIR WAY or the highway are the rotten apples..and the bad part about those judges is that they think they are doing a good job and helping others see their way..so all of you good judges out there when you see these people taking matters into their own hands speak up to the TC and ask why??..at a contest last year a fellow cook was judging and noticed one judge giving everything a 9 in appearance..he talked to the table captain and the judge had to be pulled aside and talked to..but the damage was done already..so my point is this...judges if you don't like the us/vs them mentality help out these clowns and get them out of the tent they give good judges a bad name and certainly don't deserve to judge at all.

 

[ModelMaker]

I think not my good man...
A few years ago while helping put on a CBJ class one of the gals at my table whispered to me that she was allergic to chicken!!!!
I informed Mike Lake the instructor and he nearly pi**ed himself. I went back and asked her what she intended to do and she said " I'm going to try it and if it goes badly, call for help.
She did partake of the chicken and remained healthy so I guess she survived.
Ed

 

[rob g]

I got that beat. The last competition I did a few weeks ago I had a CBJ cooking with me to fulfill her Master CBJ requirement. She told me a story about this lady who judges fairly regularly in our area that always takes a bite of the meat chews a couple times then spits it all out into a napkin then she writes her scores down. After a while the judge that was cooking with me asked her what she was doing and she replied that she was a vegetarian and doesn't eat meat...

These are the people that are judging our food!

I know of at least one judge that has had the surgery for weight loss that puts a band on his stomach. He has very little capacity for volume but still loves his bbq. He takes a bite for taste and tenderness and then spits it discretely into a paper towel. There is nothing wrong with his ability to fairly judge an entry.

 

[Big Poppa]

Just got back from Boulder City. I season the chicken James cooks it. I had a brain fart and overseasoned it. It was pretty salty. Like too salty...ok a thirsty cow may enjoy it. I got third in chicken. I was overjudged. My other meat was as good as I can cook it...especially the pork and brisket. I got a break...But I also cooked the other three meats and hit reasonable tables and won. I could have gotten 17th and still GC'd...so its really important to cook all four meats consistently.

 

[Smoke'n Ice]

I am done spending money on a lot of contests because of judging. KCBS is dragging g ass on fixing this lroblem. Wait until other teams completely quit because of it. Unfortunstely, all the bitching and complaining falls on deaf ears. Or on ears that don't want to hear it..

The "helter-skelter" judging procedures throughout the US caused me to stop competing last year as I only did two which are ones that I like the people and area. I may or may not do them this year, just depends on whether I want to toss money away without any expectation of uniformity in reps and judges.

 

[Southern Boy]

The judging instructions on multiple presentations in an entry are unfortunately vague and open to interpretation. I would like to see that clarified but in the absence of further guidance, I do what I always do and fall back on common sense and fairness.

Hypothetically, if I get a glorious slice of brisket that's a 9 and a lousy burnt end that's a 5, I will score a 7 and do a comment card telling the cook his burnt ends hurt his score. I think a 7 represents the "overall" score correctly. An entry like that deserves neither a 5 nor a 9.

Some reps do mention that cooks spend a lot of money to compete. That is not a plea for "benefit of the doubt" in any way. The message to judges is that they are to take their duty seriously and judge very carefully, and I 100% agree.

 

[DUBBAGA]

Some reps do mention that cooks spend a lot of money to compete. That is not a plea for "benefit of the doubt" in any way. The message to judges is that they are to take their duty seriously and judge very carefully, and I 100% agree.

It's my understanding that this is no longer supposed to be a topic of discussion at the judge's meeting