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Yep, I'm one of the naysayer....I cooked 17 contests the last two years, plan on doing 25 this year, currently top 25 in two categories, top 100 in everything else, so I'm a "cook". I'm a KCBS MCJ, I have been a table captain, worked the collection table, worked the grazing table. With that said, maybe you can shed some light on us why this happened at "your" contest. Do you not agree that this is the reps responsibility to make sure it doesn't happen at their contest?
Yes, Burnt, the burden of responsibility is very heavy for reps, and we assume that burden. If you read some of the previous posts, you'll have an understanding of the probable causes of error that can lead to a duplicate entry.
Hope you have a great bbq season. Looks like you are a very busy guy!
You can email your suggestions for an exam and your proposed solution as to what is actually needed to bod@kcbs.usI am all in favor of continuing education or re-education or whatever you might want to call it in order to get ALL judges scoring on the same level. But what KCBS has provided to date is FAR from what is actually needed.
I'd love to see an exam that all judges must pass in order to be able to judge - about SCORING! Until this is instituted, I think that the status quo will continue. AND the TOD/TOA issue will continue as well.
Well, hello there Donna. Name is Robert. I have been a member of KCBS since 1995, member number is below 1800. I have been competing since 1996 on average of about 10 per cook-offs per year. I have been a CBJ since 1997 and my CBJ number is below 700. I have judged numerous cook-offs and have been table captain quite a few times. I have encountered many good reps during this time. I have also encountered a few poor ones, but never poor ones while I've been inside the tent. When I have served as a TC, I have seen the reps work like a well oiled machine and through communication made sure that the TC's distributed the boxes fairly, meaning no duplication of tables. Most of the competitions I have judged have been more than 25 but less than 50 teams. The exception of that would be the American Royal Invitational, which I have had the pleasure of judging three times.
So this ain't my first rodeo.
Now Donna, can you please explain how in a 25 team cook-off that some teams missed table 315 completely and some teams landed there twice? Isn't it your job as a rep to make sure that the contest is administered fairly? It would seem that with only 25 teams that the boxes should be distributed fairly. How could you not? To me, it means you are derelict, meaning that you don't care to perform your duties completely, or you are inept, meaning that you can't perform your duties. Or both. I don't believe it is slanderous to make that observation given the facts that have been presented.
Do you care to enlighten us on what did happen?
I'm not really sure how this thread became an issue about the reps or their ability to do their job....this thread was started to verify the table of death does exist. The Baroody's were nothing but professional at this competition, and accidents can happen. This thread was in no way intended to question the reps as they have little control over how a table will judge over the course of a contest.
It really doesn't matter how long you have been in this game or how hard you flex your BBQ muscles. Mistakes can and will happen. It is inevitable.
Without reps we don't have comps, without teams we don't have comps, without judges we don't have comps, without the public we don't have comps and without sponsors we don't have comps, they are all cogs in the machine which makes no one group more or less important than the others.
Uomograsso, I think you've missed the point. This isn't about where teams finished in the overall rankings and how they got there. This is about how a single table of judges scores consistently low. Here is a better example. It is a snapshot of how each table ended up in the scoring for each category. 84% of the entries that crossed table 315 finished 16th or worse in their respective category.
Hopefully this will give you a better perspective.
Very well said. Agree 100% :clap2:.
But as is becoming more common around this forum, people want reps/judges heads when something goes awry at an event and pull the pitchforks quick and scream for "justice" and to publicly out/humiliate the evildoers.
Thanks you very much. It does, but it still doesn't determine whether the judges on that table were truly "low scorers" or did they just get the worst of the teams there for each category. Which unlikely, could be the case. All this shows is that table 315 was unlucky enough to get the worst entries in each category. Possible...yes. Probable...no. BUT, just because something is highly improbable, doesn't mean that it can't happen. Just ask someone who has won the lottery. I have often wondered if KCBS gave access to their database of scores to some data analysts what kind of wonderful things could be divined. Until that happens conjecturing from a single set of data is not valid.
...as well as becoming overly persnickety toward each other, but that is a conversation for another day...