Barbecued Pork vs. Pork Barbecue

[deguerre]

Works in politics though. Repeat a lie often enough and it may as well be gospel.

 

[dummy que]

the truth comes out

Well, to be fair, above the Mason-Dixon Line are the states that aren't known for their barbecue. In fact, in the 1800's, a barbecue above the Mason-Dixon was a strange event that required Southerners to cook it and a lot of explanation in the newspapers for Northerners to understand it. So, I'm thinking that people in the Northern states may not be the best people to go to for a definition of barbecue.

acording to WEBSTER`S 11NEW COLLEGE DICTIONARY Barbecue1.a grill ,pit,or outdoor fireplace for roasting meat 2. a whole anamal carcass or section thereof roasted or broiled over an open fire or on a spit b. A usu. outdoor social gathering at which food is prepared in this way-vt. cued. -cu.ing.-cues. to roast,broil, or grill meat over live coals or open fire. As one of those lucky enof to be born in the B.B.Q. center of the known universe as a child a bbq was hotdogs and hambergers not untill my first trip to STARK,FLA. did i get to taste real bbq (sonnys) a true passion was born it`s fairly clear that those who live in the carolinas think that they and they alone know jack about our art form (yes it is a art not a science) there are lots of different types of bbq as for us yankey`s not knowing dick about bbq i am no longer aloud to come to stark without my LANG and a cooler of pork and beef

 

[Lake Dogs]

I'm trying to follow what you're saying. So you're saying there is a "correct"/absolute definition of barbecue when it is used as a noun?

Getting right back to boshizzle's original statement and point, and very respectfully, yes.

bbqing and grilling aren't the same. a car is not a truck. both are automobiles, but not the same thing. bbqing and grilling are cooking, but they are not the same. just because someone calls your F150 a car doesnt make it a car. just because someone calls my weber genesis gasser a smoker, doesnt make it a smoker.

 

[1buckie]

Hopefully the additions I've made to the disscussion are clear....they are separate traditions.....one is barbeque, one is not.....but both are traditions......

I cook on Webers, some of it's BBQ, some not.....some folks say "that's not a pit !!!" & for those folks I have to lite 6 or 8 of them & get up to the square area definition of a "pit", I guess..............

I agree whole-heartedly of the definition of BBQ, as presented...it's the goods !!!!!

 

[Boshizzle]

Thanks all for the great comments! Your input will be reflected in a larger discussion soon. I don't expect everyone to agree with my conclusions, we are talking about BBQ after all, but I hope to reflect a wide array of views.

 

[Kathy's Smokin']

Which came first -- the loose usage of the word barbecue throughout the majority/world, or the tight usage of the word barbecue that we associate with the southern US? I wonder if tight definitions fit "American Barbecue" or "Southern US Barbecue" better than they seem to be fitting the more general word "barbecue". Could specifying what you are defining off the bat be a way to turn this uphill battle into a level ground battle? Maybe further specify "Alabama Barbecue" or "Texas Barbecue", etc., if you can't get a quorum across the US for your definition?


Just had a thought. Are we really asking who owns the word barbecue?

 

[Gore]

Just had a thought. Are we really asking who owns the word barbecue?

Why yes, that is exactly what we're asking. I think we're going for a trademark, so we can control its usage. We will form a committee for the usage of the word "barbecue" to keep the word pure, much like the one the one they have in France to keep the French language pure. I'm really curious what that definition will be. The only thing certain is that I'll be banned for my hot-dog comment. I did have BBQ in Siberia and it wasn't so bad, marinated meat on a stick.

 

[Rob96]

Oi, I'm from the NE and BBQ originally was a an adjective to describe a gathering with the food cooked on the grill. It also was applied to things like hamburger bbq or what others would call a sloppy joe. You can also do this beef, turkey and pork.

Now a days with the all of the BBQ shows on TV, BBQ is now shifting to low and slow. People are buying smokers of all types, roadside stands are popping up and so forth. As for BBQ styles, you will find a mix: Carolina, Kansas City, Memphis and so forth, no one style is a lock. Its just funny now seeing grocery stores with sections in the meat case for brisket, pork shoulder and stocking whole turkeys all year.

 

[viking72]

So, generally, many here see a distinction between barbecued meat and barbecue meaning that it is possible to cook meat using the barbecue method and the resulting product may or may not be barbecue.

Not barbecue,but cooked with the BBQ method.

Later,
Doug

 

[Lake Dogs]

Which came first -- the loose usage of the word barbecue throughout the majority/world, or the tight usage of the word barbecue that we associate with the southern US? I wonder if tight definitions fit "American Barbecue" or "Southern US Barbecue" better than they seem to be fitting the more general word "barbecue". Could specifying what you are defining off the bat be a way to turn this uphill battle into a level ground battle? Maybe further specify "Alabama Barbecue" or "Texas Barbecue", etc., if you can't get a quorum across the US for your definition?

Just had a thought. Are we really asking who owns the word barbecue?

> Which came first -- the loose usage ofor the tight usage of the word barbecue that we associate with the southern US?

Barbecue (the word and its original definition) comes from barbacoa, 1600's I think. I suggest that it came first. From pictures and newspaper articles and references in books, I dont know the precise moment, but I'm sure it's in the 1900's, probably in the 1930's and certainly by the 1950's, the word had been mis-used enough across the country to mean grilling and/or a cookout.

 

[Lake Dogs]

Not barbecue,but cooked with the BBQ method.

Later,
Doug

ABSOLUTELY!!! And we dont call it a Pig Pickin'.

Very nice (above).

 

[Boshizzle]

Just had a thought. Are we really asking who owns the word barbecue?

It seems some people are and those people seem to want to call anything cooked on a grill barbecue. In that world, the word barbecue is meaningless and elevates Hardees and Burger King to the status of barbecue restaurants. They serve "barbecued" hamburgers.

The truth of the matter is, there is a distinct, well defined cooking method known as barbecuing and there is a distinct, well defined food that is barbecue. The same is true of butter and ice cream. In fact, they are so well defined that the U.S. government has had regulations for about 100 years on what can and can't be sold as butter, ice cream, and barbecue.

It's against federal law to sell a grilled hot dog and call it barbecue, BTW. The same for marinated meat that has been grilled or even a prime rib roasted barbecued to a perfect medium rare.

 

[deguerre]

BUT! Do the Feds consider low roasted smoked chicken as Barbecue??? DO THEY?????

 

[Lake Dogs]

BUT! Do the Feds consider low roasted smoked chicken as Barbecue??? DO THEY?????

Should we define chicken?

:heh:

 

[deguerre]

No. You'll post a pic of me in the comp forum...

 

[Boshizzle]

BUT! Do the Feds consider low roasted smoked chicken as Barbecue??? DO THEY?????

They might. It is the government, after all. Ketchup is a serving of veggies too. :laugh:

 

[deguerre]

All kidding aside, this HAS been a very informative and entertainingly engaging thread you started, Joe. :thumb:

 

[Kathy's Smokin']

It's against federal law to sell a grilled hot dog and call it barbecue, BTW. The same for marinated meat that has been grilled or even a prime rib roasted barbecued to a perfect medium rare.

That explains the passion in this argument. Tight control of the word is important to many in the US and looks like it starts at the top.

 

[deguerre]

Yep. And California can't call their sparkling wine Champagne either. But I do. Another generic term usage.

 

[1buckie]

BUT! Do the Feds consider low roasted smoked chicken as Barbecue??? DO THEY?????

could it be, like me, possible that you have "chicken issues".....or at least BBQ'ed chicken issues?