How do I know my bacon cure is done?

As respectfully as I can say it, I'm not a fan of Meathead in curing and cold-smoking. I think that's still to
too much nitrite, but many people use his bacon cure and live lol.

USDA FSIS recommends 156ppm and up to a max of 200ppm. The appx 1tsp per 5# rule is really close to 156ppm. 200ppm is roughly 1.3tsp per 5#.

In a dry rub scenario, you have nearly 100% nitrite retention which is GREAT for perfectly balanced and measured cures, but not forgiving for approximates and hip shooting.

I wonder if Meathead is overly concerned about botulism (he also strongly advises against cold smoking) due to direct liability to himself and or business. Don't get me wrong, the guy's wicked smart and talented, but many people agree that he steers WAY too clear in these regards.

Avoiding cold smoking never hurts (except hurting the flavor IMHO) or risks, but I'm not willing to consume copious amounts of nitrite to "play it safe". All that said, I wouldn't throw yours out, I just wouldn't do it again. The OP has almost double your nitrite level, so there's a big difference there.

I agree we should stay within the the USDA recommendation. Indeed, meathead's recommendations are a bit too high, but it will not kill you since the LD50 (Lethal dose of sodium nitrate) would involve consuming a lot more. However, too much nitrates is not good for you and does not contribute to any additional useful role. Hence it is best to minimize its use as needed.

Like others have said, I would chuck out the pork belly (shed tears) and start off....the percentages given by MisterChister are spot on.
 
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Not to hijack this thread back to where it started from....but now that we have got the pink salt discussion in hand (and MisterChrister is right on, that is way too much pink salt for your weight of product. I back the pink salt and regular salt off from most recipes as well).

The way you can tell when your bacon is done is by feel. If you are curing in a ziplock or some kind of plastic bag in your fridge, just flip it over every day for 5lbs of pork belly (or whatever product) for about a week. You will know it is done when it becomes firm and not floppy anymore. This can take a week or longer for 5lbs. Once it is firmed up it's ready to smoke (or not...but seriously you should smoke it).
 
The way you can tell when your bacon is done is by feel. If you are curing in a ziplock or some kind of plastic bag in your fridge, just flip it over every day for 5lbs of pork belly (or whatever product) for about a week. You will know it is done when it becomes firm and not floppy anymore. This can take a week or longer for 5lbs. Once it is firmed up it's ready to smoke (or not...but seriously you should smoke it).

IamMadMan should be along shortly to comment, but in the mean time you might want to take a look at this post: http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3450622&postcount=11
This is how I roll when it comes to curing time. This is a good point also (2nd paragraph): http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3450632&postcount=13
 
Indeed, meathead's recommendations are a bit too high, but it will not kill you since the LD50 (Lethal dose of sodium nitrate) would involve consuming a lot more.
This.

smh...

What I love about the internet is also what I hate about the internet.

The global sharing of information does in no way validate that information is accurate.
 
That is very interesting information. I will try to cut the pink salt down some on next batch. Everything else should work fine if I use his recipe, but cut parague powder down to 1stp per 5lbs?


I'm gonna catch flack for this...but...

Whole muscle curing (Pork belly) does not require any curing salts (IE: Cure # 1/Cure # 2)

The USDA requires it if a product is to be called "cured" and sold to the public
Most publications (cookbooks, charcuterie books) include it, because it is safer to use it than not.
In our litigious society, it is all about CYA (cover your a$$).

However...

I cure pork to make bacon at home once a month or so. For the past 3 years I have not used curing salt once.
Just sea salt (and flavorings)


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Me too, but only for my own use. The bacon I cure to give always uses nitrates.
 
Me too, but only for my own use. The bacon I cure to give always uses nitrates.

I'm sorry..in having a hard time processing the statement: "bacon I cure to give"

Any pork belly that enters my house, gets consumed at my house.
I've never seem to have enough to giveaway...
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Looking to know how do I know my bacon cure is done.

Here's what I did:

5lb pork belly
1/2 cup kosher salt
4 tsp pink salt

put it in the fridge last Tuesday 8/16/16. I have been flipping it nightly.

Please give me some feedback on the recipe and how I know when it's done.

Thanks a lot.

Sorry I am late to the party, I had a long day at work, but here are my two cents.....

Let me start by saying that measuring pink salt / prague powder with a teaspoon is really a bad practice, you should be using a scale in metric mode to accurately measure the cure properly. Not weighing the ingredients can cause inconsistent and incomplete curing from not using enough, or nitrite burn (overcuring) from using too much.

The same holds true for measuring the salt. A cup of Morton’s kosher Salt weighs 250 grams (8 3/4 ounces), whereas a cup of Diamond Kosher Salt weighs 135 grams (4 3/4 ounces). Yes, there is a difference among other brands as well. A cup is not an equal or accurate form of measure for salt.... See - http://dinersjournal.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/28/warning-measure-your-salt/?_r=0

I also agree with MisterChister that the amount of pink salt in that recipe is by far too much. While it may not harm a normal individual, but maybe someone with a pulmonary or cardiac condition or even young children could suffer ill effects from that amount.

There are many stories on the internet where have people confused pink salt with regular table salt and have wound up in the emergency room suffering from nitrite poisoning. Nitrates can change normal hemoglobin (the chemical in the blood responsible for oxygen transport) to methemoglobin. Nitrates increase the methemoglobin count, thus reducing the ability of the blood to transport oxygen to cells and organs. Oxygen starvation can lead to a bluish tint of the lips, ears, and nose in slight cases, and severe cases can lead to respiratory problems and heart problems.

As far as your curing time, a tested and proven recipe using accurate measures will also provide you with the proper curing times. Safe dry curing times are calculated according to the thickest part of your meat. Standard curing time is one day for every 1/4" of meat measured from the center. So a two inch thick pork belly would measure one inch from the center, thus taking four full days to cure, not including the day you start the process. The only exception to this is if you are using pork belly with the skin still attached. The cure does not easily penetrate the skin, so you have to calculate the curing time based on the total thickness of the meat. So if you had a two inch thick belly with the skin on, it would take eight day to cure the pork belly for bacon. If you properly weighed the ingredients and accidentally left it in the refrigerator because you were away, everything would be fine because it would not get nitrite burn. But the same cannot be said for using more than an accurate measure.

If you are serious about curing meat or making sausage, I would suggest you purchase one or more of the books listed below from those who pioneered the home curing of meats and sausage..



Meat curing for bacon is the application of salt, Sodium Nitrite, and seasoning in order to impart unique properties to the end product while preventing bacterial growth. Meat is cured for one basic purpose: To prolong spoilage and to preserve in some manner to use at some time in the near future. The cure also prevents illness or death from deadly bacteria due to prolonged exposure at low temperatures which could result in food-borne illnesses. Although people cure for other secondary reasons, like to create a completely different food product like ham, bacon, or sausage, the primary purpose of the cure is to prevent botulism and other food-borne illnesses. The prolonged time in the cure is what gives the foods their tell-tale color, textures, and flavors. Without the use of a curing agent present in these processes, the bacteria are free to grow possibly causing severe illness and even rancidity.

There has been and always will be debate on the use of nitrites and nitrates in curing meat. Some will argue that only salt it is needed as a curing agent. They argue that "mankind has cured meats for centuries without the use of these additives." This statement is only partially true, because mankind did not intentionally add the nitrites when curing, they were natural formations of Nitrites. It is also impossible to tell how many people in these centuries actually died from food poisoning because of the extended incubation time of these lethal bacteria. Today we have the medical technology to diagnose and treat food-borne illnesses, as unpleasant and painful as they may be, I personally feel it is necessary to take precautions to avoid and prevent these food-borne illnesses. But as individuals we are free to do as we please. I can tell you that my brother-in-law felt curing meat for jerky was unnecessary, he wound up with a $13,000.00 hospital bill to treat food-borne bacteria. Through the pain of the illness and the expense of treatment, he admits it was an expensive lesson in food safety.


I would suggest doing some reading before you make the leap so you have an understanding of some of the processes...... Keep in mind there are many different types of sausages; some are made and cooked fresh, some contain a cure so they can be safely smoked, while others are cured and dried. It is important that you follow the recipe using exact amounts as well as the proper procedures to maintain a safe meat product. When in doubt read and read again, and ask questions if you need to.

There are many great books and guides on curing and sausage making. I am sure almost everyone who posts may have a few recommendations for books on sausage making. These are by far the best books for basic and advanced sausage making. They start with the basics and move forward to help you master the craft of sausage making. Contains true recipes before the use of chemical enhancers/additives, and fillers were added to stretch the amount of commercial production.

While there are many books out there that all contain enough information to get you off to a good start, there are a few books that I would highly recommend.


First Recommendation..

Home Production of Quality Meats and Sausages by Stanley Marianski and Adam Marianski
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This is a book that covers everything from making a smokehouse, to curing meats, and making sausage. Very easy to read with a great collection of recipes and techniques for the beginner. This book is actually two other books ("Meat Smoking And Smokehouse Design" and "Polish Sausages, Authentic Recipes And Instructions") combined into one single book plus more on making sausage and curing meats. Most are simple one Kilogram recipes, so you can make a small batch of the product before deciding to make a large batch. This also makes it easier to make a larger batches with easy multiples. The use of a metric scale in sausage making and curing makes the process much more accurate and provides a consistent product time after time.


Second Recommendation..

Great Sausage Recipes and Meat Curing by Rytek Kutas and Ben Kutas
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This is often called the definitive book on sausage making. The explanation of how cures work, and what they are for, just this understanding to a beginner is worth the price of the book. However the smallest quantity the recipes is for ten pounds, so a beginner will have to properly calculate and scale down the recipes. The book is equally helpful to the beginner or the advanced. Some of the recipes are a little too salty for my taste, but I just make a note and reduce the salt in the next batch. The book also contains a some stories that are entertaining. *** DO NOT BUY THE BOOK / DVD COMBO, in my opinion the DVD is worthless even to a beginner, but that's just my personal opinion.


Third Recommendation..

Charcuterie: The Craft of Salting, Smoking, and Curing by Michael Ruhlman and Brian Polcyn
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This is a great book, although it lightly touches the basics, I feel the book is more for an intermediate or advanced sausage maker. Most recipes are in five pound batches, but I suggest you scale them down to try them before making a large batch. You'll find that you will have to tweak a lot of the recipes to your individual liking / tastes. This book takes sausage to the next level with using some top shelf ingredients as well as some hard to find ingredients to make sausages that could be considered in the "gourmet" classification. Michael Ruhlman has many proven recipes, but you must have an understanding of the basics before you try to get into the gourmet type recipes contained herein.



Also keep in mind that there are many great resources on the World-Wide-Web (Internet), but reference books are always good for checking factual information when in doubt.

I would stress to all beginners to use only a tested and proven recipe from a reliable source, there are many recipes I have found on the Internet that I would have concerns about. Just because it's out there doesn't mean it is correct. Also the use of an electronic scale that also has a metric mode is an invaluable must have. The weighing of the cure is critical to food safety, so if everything is properly weighed and not measured, you will have a great product in the end.

Here is a brief guide to what basics are needed to make your own sausage.
http://www.lets-make-sausage.com/Sausage-making-equipment.html


Resources for tested recipes:

The Marianskis have a website which is another great resource:
http://www.meatsandsausages.com/

Len Paoli's Recipe site
http://lpoli.50webs.com/Sausage recipes.htm

The Spicy Sausage
http://thespicysausage.com/sausagemakingrecipes.htm

Sausage Mania
http://www.sausagemania.com/tutorial.html

Lets Make Sausage
http://www.lets-make-sausage.com/Sausage-making-equipment.html

Sausage Making Org
http://forum.sausagemaking.org/

Northwest Smoking
http://web.archive.org/web/20010214020112/http:/home.att.net/~g.m.fowler/frame/Sausage1.htm

and so many more....

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I've never cured my own bacon before but I'm in the process of gathering the ingredients and the info necessary.
I have two full slabs of belly in the feezer and am waiting on the curing salt packages to be delivered from sausagemaker.com.
I ordered their Maple Ham and Bacon cure and a package of their Uncle Abes Jerky mix to get started. I figured the first try will be using a storebought cure mix. I also ordered one pound of the InstaCure #1 for later when I experiment with other flavors.
My smoker will be delivered Saturday and the cure stuff is due 8/31. Then it's time to smoke up the neighborhood.
I'll follow this one close.
 
I've never cured my own bacon before but I'm in the process of gathering the ingredients and the info necessary.
I have two full slabs of belly in the feezer and am waiting on the curing salt packages to be delivered from sausagemaker.com.
I ordered their Maple Ham and Bacon cure and a package of their Uncle Abes Jerky mix to get started. I figured the first try will be using a storebought cure mix. I also ordered one pound of the InstaCure #1 for later when I experiment with other flavors.
My smoker will be delivered Saturday and the cure stuff is due 8/31. Then it's time to smoke up the neighborhood.
I'll follow this one close.

The Sausage Maker has some great pre-mixes for the beginner as well as for intermediate. I always recommend that beginners use a pre-mix (as you have ordered) for the first time, the pre-mix makes it slightly harder to make a minor mistake.

Keep us posted with processes.
 
As respectfully as I can say it, I'm not a fan of Meathead in curing and cold-smoking. I think that's still to
too much nitrite, but many people use his bacon cure and live lol.

USDA FSIS recommends 156ppm and up to a max of 200ppm. The appx 1tsp per 5# rule is really close to 156ppm. 200ppm is roughly 1.3tsp per 5#.

In a dry rub scenario, you have nearly 100% nitrite retention which is GREAT for perfectly balanced and measured cures, but not forgiving for approximates and hip shooting.

I wonder if Meathead is overly concerned about botulism (he also strongly advises against cold smoking) due to direct liability to himself and or business. Don't get me wrong, the guy's wicked smart and talented, but many people agree that he steers WAY too clear in these regards.

Avoiding cold smoking never hurts (except hurting the flavor IMHO) or risks, but I'm not willing to consume copious amounts of nitrite to "play it safe". All that said, I wouldn't throw yours out, I just wouldn't do it again. The OP has almost double your nitrite level, so there's a big difference there.


hey, do you happen to have links (or even journal articles) about curing guidelines? specifically i am looking for concrete wet cure nitrite concentration guidelines.

i've only used nitrite once when i was curing brisket for pastrami.

i only have access to pure sodium nitrite. or rather, i already have a ton of it, and i'd rather not buy funny pink salt.

basically, i had a piece of point and a piece of flat. each sat in its own gallon sized ziplock bag, and i crammed the ziplocks into a large tupperware for some support. the solution concentration i used was 625mg sodium nitrite per gallon.

it tasted great and no one got sick, but i would really like to learn more about the minimum i can get away with using for next time.



 
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hey, do you happen to have links (or even journal articles) about curing guidelines? specifically i am looking for concrete wet cure nitrite concentration guidelines.

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Keep in mind a curing brine (pickle) is calculated in PPM based on pumping and then time in the pickle based on % of pick-up.

http://www.fsis.usda.gov/wps/wcm/connect/7d364131-137e-4da3-905b-fa240974a5a9/7620-3.pdf?MOD=AJPERES

Also.... http://www.meatsandsausages.com/hams-other-meats/hams Quoted Below...

Calculation Formula (using % pick-up)

ppm = lb. nitrite x % pick-up x 1,000,000/lb. pickle
Without weighing the meat, the only way to determine % pick-up of cured meat is by an educated guess based on previous experience. It is generally accepted that immersion cured hams (60° SAL) pick-up about 4% weight. If we add 4.2 ounces (120 g) of Cure #1 to 1 gallon of brine, the solution will contain 1973 ppm of sodium nitrite. At first sight it may seem that there is an excessive amount of nitrite in water. The answer is that only a small percentage will be absorbed by meat during the immersion process. At 4% pick-up the ham will absorb 79 ppm which will be just enough for any meaningful curing. At 10% pump (needle pumping) the same ham will contain 197 ppm of sodium nitrite which is in compliance with the government standard of 200 ppm. Pumping more than 10% or increasing the amount of cure in the solution will of course cross the limit.

Based on those findings we can come up with the general formula for 60º SAL brine:
water 1 gal. (8.33lbs.) 3.80 kg salt 1.32 lbs. 600 g Cure #1 4.2 oz. 120 g sugar 1.5 oz. 42 g If you need stronger or weaker brine change the amount of salt according to the salt tables. The amount of Cure #1 should remain the same. To eliminate the danger of uneven coloring, manufacturers add sodium erythorbate into the solution. This speeds up the nitrite reaction and more nitric oxide will be released. Nitric oxide will in turn react with the meat’s myoglobin and the pink color will be created. By now you should be fully aware that there isn’t one universal brine and many solutions will do the job. Meat placed in a weaker solution will do as good a job as meat placed in a stronger solution as long as a proper curing time is allowed.

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Keep in mind a curing brine (pickle) is calculated in PPM based on pumping and then time in the pickle based on % of pick-up.

http://www.fsis.usda.gov/wps/wcm/connect/7d364131-137e-4da3-905b-fa240974a5a9/7620-3.pdf?MOD=AJPERES

Also.... http://www.meatsandsausages.com/hams-other-meats/hams ...

great info, thank you for sharing. seems like exactly what i'm looking for.
i'm still reading and haven't gotten to the second link yet, but the pdf from the first link is pretty good (i'm reading at page 21: "Nitrite in Immersed Products").

it looks like i just need to research %pickup for brisket (or whatever i'm curing) at the salinity / osmotic concentration of my curing solution for a given amount of time and the calculations will be very straightforward. i wonder if tables exist online for this, or if it's all proprietary knowhow. anyone know?
would be fun to do an experiment by weighing the meat before/after curing to see how accurate the %pickup figure i used is for my meat and solution.
if i can't find figures, i could just make an educated guess and then i'll have a better figure for next time (i.e. i'll have my own experimental %pickup data).

in the case of my previous pastrami attempt, i guess i likely wouldn't even need the %pickup since i left it for a seriously long time (a month or more), so the whole thing may have more or less reached nitrite equilibrium with the brine. this is discussed in 'method two' of that section.
 
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