Election for 2015 KCBS Board of Directors

[Pappy Q]

exactly. nothing to definitive. Just we care about the things that you care about.

And seeing as the last time they pushed for this the only thing that got changed was the pork rule.

Which strangely enough made legal a cooking method that some people, but not all, were all ready using...gee I wonder if any of the 4 elected cooks ever railed on about the old pork rule prior to getting elected?

So chances are they care about the things they care about. What you care about may or may not line up with what they care about.

So, who do YOU recommend we vote for?

 

[DawgPhan]

So, who do YOU recommend we vote for?

Scottie.

 

[Scottie]

Sorry, I let my lifetime membership lapse.... that would preclude me from running.

Besides, there are already 4 worthy cooks thst are running.

 

[Smoke'n Ice]

The problems that I see about the KCBS BOD elections are:
1. A majority of the members of KCBS are judges
2. Name recognition of cooks outside their area of competition is nil
3. Name recognition of Reps is spread out over the areas that they work
4. Most people vote for a name they know
5. A very small percentage of KCBS members are active on forums such as this one
6. A very small percentage of KCBS members who vote are concerned about the day to day operations of the organization

These are strictly my observations and opinions and do not reflect anything else. They are the major reasons that I chose not to renew my family member ship after more than 12 years as I don't feel that anything worthwhile will happen except for the expansion of the judging classes and reps outside the US with the status quo being OK.

 

[Slamdunkpro]

I have a very good understanding of the concerns of cooks and a complete understanding of the basis for those concerns.

Please give us some specific examples.

 

[Vince RnQ]

First, thanks for directly articulating an issue. I wish there was more directness from the candidates vs vague platitudes.

On to what I quoted. We cooked for a judge's class this year and did an experiment on this very issue. We had 2 master judges helping us and we cooked 7 or 8 small briskets for the class. Because of the volume we had to produce we didn't shift any of the briskets resulting in a large range of tenderness. As we were slicing the briskets we'd sample to the 2 judges and ask their thoughts on tenderness score. One slice cut in half to reduce the variance as much as possible. The results? One slice judge A) 9 "perfect" judge B) 6 "overcooked-mushy" Another sample judge A) 6 "undercooked - too chewy" judge B) 9 "perfect - I like my brisket with some chew." The only score that they agreed on was the two briskets they both gave 7's to.

The answer to your question seems to be "human variance"

That is an excellent story and helps to illustrate my point. Just because a judge has attained Master status doesn't mean they are judging to a taught standard. That is part of the problem.

I have no desire to remove the human element from the process but I think we can all agree that everyone should be starting from the same point of reference.

 

[stan]

Jeff Sharp

KCBS is made up of Judges, Reps, Organizers, Cooks & Members

One issue I see that has caused a disparity in membership is you have to be a active member to judge but not to compete. Why isn't there a standard for cooks to become members it isn't that expensive. But if needed why not come up with different levels of membership to get more cooks to join.

 

[Smoke'n Ice]

One issue I see that has caused a disparity in membership is you have to be a active member to judge but not to compete. Why isn't there a standard for cooks to become members it isn't that expensive. But if needed why not come up with different levels of membership to get more cooks to join.

To the best of my knowledge, you do not have to be a member of KCBS to judge!

Organizers do their best to get KCBS judges but, in the end, fill the tables with what is available and then fill in with locals. Hence the table stacking prior to judging. this fact probably accounts for the disparity that Vince refers to above. Master, less qualified and non-trained occupying the same table.

 

[ModelMaker]

You must be a current paid member of KCBS to judge any sanctioned event.
The only exception is if there are none available, voulenteers are considered.
Personally I feel if your going to cook KCBS you should be a member of KCBS.
Ed

 

[Burnt at Both Endz]

You must be a current paid member of KCBS to judge any sanctioned event.
The only exception is if there are none available, voulenteers are considered.
Personally I feel if your going to cook KCBS you should be a member of KCBS.
Ed

I call BS!

I cooked in two contests this year that celebrity judges were in......

 

[ThomEmery]

Organizers have a percentage of CBJs to answer for on their last years event listing
KCBS cooks want 100% CBJs, organizers are wise to get there

 

[ModelMaker]

I call BS!

I cooked in two contests this year that celebrity judges were in......

What I have stated are the rules per KCBS. If you had celebrety judges it's because the organizer has made it so.
The Jack is famous for having a very high percentage of local politicos and celebraties, yet no cook team has ever refused to attend because of it.
Ed

 

[Burnt at Both Endz]

What I have stated are the rules per KCBS. If you had celebrety judges it's because the organizer has made it so.
The Jack is famous for having a very high percentage of local politicos and celebraties, yet no cook team has ever refused to attend because of it.
Ed

Thanks......could you find that rule for me?

 

[Burnt at Both Endz]

Organizers have a percentage of CBJs to answer for on their last years event listing
KCBS cooks want 100% CBJs, organizers are wise to get there

I beg to differ, those numbers aren't always correct...just sayin'

 

[ThomEmery]

I beg to differ, those numbers aren't always correct...just sayin'

How far off are you saying they are?
But any percentage off from the true number is a problem

 

[Burnt at Both Endz]

How far off are you saying they are?
But any percentage off from the true number is a problem

I'll not throw anyone under the bus, but I've started asking at the cooks meeting and making personal notes for the following year.

Heck some of the contest don't even state a number.

 

[Candy Sue]

At judges' check in, CBJs show their membership card and record their number. Their membership number is recorded in the scoring software, just like the head cook's number is for any competing team. However, a null can be entered in the judge's number for any person judging who has not received a number yet or who is not certified (like a celebrity). This is just like a null being entered for a team that has no head cook KCBS member. Also, if your member number is for team XYZ and you also enter a contest under team ABC with your member number, it's team XYZ that is posted in results (until the rep corrects results with a null number recorded for team ABC). That CBJ number is also entered on every scorecard for every category that that judge judged.

Ultimately, it's the organizer who determines who judges and who doesn't. Some cooks feel that 100% CBJ is important, some cooks don't. I sometimes cook IBCA where they pull folks off the street to judge. I figure I can win/lose either way. Just trying to make my food the least offensive!

Back to voting, it's really important to choose who sits on the board of KCBS! I read the answers to the questions posed to every candidate. I make my decision based on those answers. After 5 years on the board, I can tell you that every director (and every candidate) wants to make KCBS better. It's hard to imagine the built in inertia to change at KCBS until you're in one of those board meetings! On the other side, the resistance to change is a strength of KCBS. Can you imagine if major changes happened on a yearly basis? I have a copy of the first written rules of KCBS from back in 1984. The core of KCBS' current rules are found in those first rules. That's a powerful thing in my opinion.

This is all my opinion and only my opinion and it means nothing to KCBS or any other KCBS director, member, etc. Please take it for what it's worth (and you didn't pay nothing!).

 

[Burnt at Both Endz]

At judges' check in, CBJs show their membership card and record their number. Their membership number is recorded in the scoring software, just like the head cook's number is for any competing team. However, a null can be entered in the judge's number for any person judging who has not received a number yet or who is not certified (like a celebrity). This is just like a null being entered for a team that has no head cook KCBS member. Also, if your member number is for team XYZ and you also enter a contest under team ABC with your member number, it's team XYZ that is posted in results (until the rep corrects results with a null number recorded for team ABC). That CBJ number is also entered on every scorecard for every category that that judge judged.

Ultimately, it's the organizer who determines who judges and who doesn't. Some cooks feel that 100% CBJ is important, some cooks don't. I sometimes cook IBCA where they pull folks off the street to judge. I figure I can win/lose either way. Just trying to make my food the least offensive................

Thanks Candy Sue, I for one appreciate the board members that try to be as transparent as the organization will allow and step up to help us understand circumstances.

One question though or should I say comment. It sure would be nice if the cooks could tell by the score sheet the judge's score that is a "null".

Hope to see you this season on the trail!

 

[Scottie]

What I have stated are the rules per KCBS. If you had celebrety judges it's because the organizer has made it so.
The Jack is famous for having a very high percentage of local politicos and celebraties, yet no cook team has ever refused to attend because of it.
Ed

I believe that every judge at the Jack is a CBJ. I know they have certification for them. Also realize that some of these judges are the most experienced World Championship judges that there are. Not many folks have judged more World Championships than some of them. People only bitch about Jack judges if they can't get in or if they didn't win.

 

[Slamdunkpro]

People only bitch about Jack judges if they can't get in or if they didn't win.

So then the only ones that defend them are the ones that won?:caked:







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