Barbecued Pork vs. Pork Barbecue

[Bamabuzzard]

But, in this country, a "barbecue" where hot dogs are served isn't a barbecue and has only become so through ignorant writers and marketers. There is no hot dog barbecue tradition in the U.S. and never has been. The same is true of hamburgers.

So, the real question is "What is barbecue the noun?"

I get what you're saying but cultures/society determines the definition and since cultures and societies change and evolve then the definition will to. But you're right, there are people that call hot dogs and hamburgers being cooked on a grill as barbecue. Now in my opinion the definition of bbq the noun is ribs (beef or pork), pork butt, brisket and chicken. That's it. Anything outside of that isn't barbecue "the noun".

 

[Lake Dogs]

Actually, there is correct and there is incorrect, and just because you grew up using it incorrectly doesn't make it defacto correct. For example, it's normal around here to use double negatives to mean a negative. Doesn't make it correct; bad english and bad logic is just that. Luckily we know what is the intent, normally.

For example, there are automobiles, which have a few types, like cars, and trucks, SUV's, and motorcycles, and a few others. Within trucks you might have the Ford F150 and F250, the Chevy 1500 and 2500. If you were intending to test drive the Ford F150, you wouldn't say "I'm going to look for a car". You're looking a trucks. They're both automobiles, but they're NOT the same.

There's cooking. In cooking styles (there are MANY), there's grilling, barbecuing, frying, baking, and many others. They mean different things. If you're putting that steak on the weber over direct heat at probably 500 degrees, you're definitely grilling, not BBQ'ing. You can however put a boston butt on that weber, usually moving the coals to the side, run it at about 275 degrees and while you're using the same equipment, you're BBQing not grilling.

That's why if you're having a shin-dig outside, we just say correctly "cook out", which could be grilling (most of the time does), or could mean bbqing. However, if you say "we're having a bbq", it actually means you'll be barbecuing something, when in fact most people are wrong, because they're grilling...

I'm not about to tell you to stop or correct you. That's fine. It would be like trying to get the folks from Lizella GA to stop using the double negatives; wont happen and only will piss everyone off... But, it doesn't make it correct.

Side note: I loved it when my brother first looked at my Lang and said "Holy cow, how many steaks can you grill on that?", and I politely answered "None. It doesn't grill. The baffle runs right under the grate, so it's strictly a BBQ machine".

 

[deguerre]

Aw HELL, Hance! It don't make no nevermind!




















We favor triple negatives where I'm from.

And yes. I have actually said this. Out loud. To another person. In PUBLIC.

 

[DaveAlvarado]

Now in my opinion the definition of bbq the noun is ribs (beef or pork), pork butt, brisket and chicken. That's it. Anything outside of that isn't barbecue "the noun".

Whole hog would like a word with you.

 

[1buckie]

Lake Dogs,

Gotcha.......I use the term correctly as much as I can......BBQ being Butts, ribs, beef types, even chicken, slow indirect as the centerpiece for a bunch of "grilled" or sometimes indirect smoked & cold sides.....

If I'm grilling, it's "Let's grill up some stuff & get folks together to eat"

It's the zillions of people that have gone on calling it BBQ that would be hard to convince................


like the story with your brother.......:-o

 

[deguerre]

Now in my opinion the definition of bbq the noun is ribs (beef or pork), pork butt, brisket and chicken...

Chicken? CHICKEN??? :tsk:

 

[chambersuac]

Dang man, this is the worst threads ever - a total waste of time. I mean why do all this work trying to figure it out. Just have a few beers and listen to the video below. Just kididng...but do listen. You're probably aware of the song...

[ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6ubTQfr_tyY[/ame]

 

[Lake Dogs]

Chicken? CHICKEN??? :tsk:

Chicken, definitely dont make no nevermind. tripple negative, is back to a negative, yes? or dont that make no nevermind neither.

 

[deguerre]

Damn, son! Slap some Georgia on that whydon'cha?

 

[caseydog]

So what is the difference between BBQ and this pork BBQ you're talking about? ... oh yeah, you're from Virginia, nevermind. :becky:

I'm still trying to figure out the whole "nacho" thing.

CD

 

[deguerre]

Nacho's fake. Just like Lawler.

 

[Boshizzle]

You're SO right! However, what if it's chicken, beef, or worse, something different like salmon? No no, not wanting controversy this morning...

Good morning sir! We're still looking for that book.


Hey, you're a researcher type-of-guy, how did the nonsense of low n slow being 220 come to pass?

Honestly? I think it came about in the 1st half of the 20th century when newspaper writers were telling people how to replicate barbecue on their home ovens. So far, all of my research on the phrase "low and slow" shows up often in newspaper articles about cooking explaining how to cook lean cuts and "home" barbecue on your wood or oil fired stoves and ovens.

That doesn't mean that low and slow temps weren't used to cook barbecue, just that the phrase "low and slow" was used to describe the temps to set your oven to when roasting cheap cuts of meat.

 

[Boshizzle]

I've never barbecued a noun. Do you foil it?

:becky:

Around here there are at least two definitions of barbecue as a noun...

1. I am going to a barbecue, meaning a gathering where food is cooked outdoors and is typically held outdoors

2. I am going to eat some barbecue, meaning just about anything with barbecue sauce on it. The general population doesn't make a distinction between grilling and smoking (or barbecuing). They think of anything with barbecue sauce on it as barbecue.

And...

Is it "barbecue" or "barbeque"? :twisted:

Yeah, the meat with BBQ sauce on it being called barbecue is an often heard claim. We have been able to buy "barbecued" rotisserie chickens in my town for as long as I can remember. All they do is pour BBQ sauce over a rotisserie chicken and call it barbecue chicken.

 

[deguerre]

AGAIN with the damn chicken! :tsk:

 

[deguerre]

Then again, Texans think I'm a heretic with my pork centrist attitude...

 

[Boshizzle]

Lot's of good stuff in this thread so far! Thanks, brethren!

Ultimately, I guess I'm looking to define barbecue like most of us do in the South.I doubt that there will ever be a uniform definition across the country. That being said, I think that Southerners are a bit more passionate about the definition of barbecue than the rest of the country. Southerners are insulted at the idea of "barbecuing" a hot dog. It borders on sacrilege where I come from.

 

[Hawg Father of Seoul]

I guess I grill my pork till tender. Won a couple state championships with it.

Where do I have to send the trophies since it is not BBQ?

 

[rookiedad]

I get what you're saying but cultures/society determines the definition and since cultures and societies change and evolve then the definition will to. But you're right, there are people that call hot dogs and hamburgers being cooked on a grill as barbecue. Now in my opinion the definition of bbq the noun is ribs (beef or pork), pork butt, brisket and chicken. That's it. Anything outside of that isn't barbecue "the noun".

ain't some sausages not never no barbecue?

 

[Drunk Monkey]

 

[Kathy's Smokin']

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