Bamabuzzard
is Blowin Smoke!
*Yeah, I'm with you on this one. I just can't bring myself to include them either.
Barbecued Pork vs. Pork Barbecue
- Thread starter Boshizzle
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*Yeah, I'm with you on this one. I just can't bring myself to include them either.
Sevengoals
Full Fledged Farker
Somehow I am not surprised this discussion has gone on for 6 pages.
Boshizzle
somebody shut me the fark up.
So, generally, many here see a distinction between barbecued meat and barbecue meaning that it is possible to cook meat using the barbecue method and the resulting product may or may not be barbecue.
I thought that after reading the first page.:clap2: And it's one of my favorite movie lines.
Being from Alabama, barbeque was always pulled pork and a pack of buns. Anything extra was.... what it was, smoked chicken, ribs.
Here in Illinois, it's whatever comes off the grill. Time and temps are irrelevant, sauce or no sauce, it's all "barbecue".
thunter
is Blowin Smoke!
Barbecue, BBQ, Bar-B-Q... Let's just learn from the master... :laugh::clap2::bow:
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Kathy's Smokin'
Babbling Farker
Wow, Guer, four negatives. :clap2: You are the master! It took me five minutes to come up with three, which I couldn't, and had to copy the string from brother rookiedad's post. Took a second look at his post and he had the ain't in the front, I couldn't even copy it right! :doh:
The repetition reminds me of French a bit. Like, "Moi, je t'aime". First person ("moi" and "je") is repeated for emphasis.
Boshizzle
somebody shut me the fark up.
Thanks for all the responses. Some were helpful in a direct way and the ones that were way out of scope were helpful in another. Still, there is nothing posted that I believe invalidates the point that you can cook something using the barbecue method and still not necessarily have barbecue when done.
BBQ Bandit
Babbling Farker
The intent becomes both clear and muddy - treating the smoker as a wood-fired oven.
revkab
is one Smokin' Farker
As far as I can tell, the term 'Barbeque' is entirely parochial, that is, it is entirely dependent on local understandings and tastes. In the Kansas City area (the true BBQ capitol of the world), barbeque is meat of any one of several types, although typically beef or pork, that is well and fully slow-smoked, and most often served with a slightly tangy (but not sickly sweet) tomato based sauce. Pork ribs and brisket rule, but so does pork butt, typically sliced, but often pulled.
In places such as Texas, smoke is still mandatory, but beef rules. One of the Carolinas prefers pulled pork, smoked, with a thin, vinegar based sauce, while the other one prefers the same, but with a mustard based sauce. In places like New York City, BBQ amounts mainly to McRib sandwiches, and some other Yankee places consider BBQ to be anything cooked outside over hot coals.
To me, personally, barbeque means it is well and slowly smoked until it is fully tender, then lightly sauced. Chicken can be smoked, but is not really BBQ, simply smoked chicken, even if it is sauced. And, contrary to BBQ Pitmasters, Prime rib is NEVER smoled, never injected, and never sauced.
In places such as Texas, smoke is still mandatory, but beef rules. One of the Carolinas prefers pulled pork, smoked, with a thin, vinegar based sauce, while the other one prefers the same, but with a mustard based sauce. In places like New York City, BBQ amounts mainly to McRib sandwiches, and some other Yankee places consider BBQ to be anything cooked outside over hot coals.
To me, personally, barbeque means it is well and slowly smoked until it is fully tender, then lightly sauced. Chicken can be smoked, but is not really BBQ, simply smoked chicken, even if it is sauced. And, contrary to BBQ Pitmasters, Prime rib is NEVER smoled, never injected, and never sauced.
drjiveturkey
Knows what a fatty is.
I'm probably in the minority but I use the term barbecue for the event or the process of cooking outdoors. I rarely use the term barbecue to describe the food itself.
I would welcome my family friends over for a barbecue regardless of what I'm cooking. Then I would follow it up with I'm grilling or smoking x y z
I would welcome my family friends over for a barbecue regardless of what I'm cooking. Then I would follow it up with I'm grilling or smoking x y z
Thanks for this response. I know growing up in Arizona it was not unheard-of to have hamburgers served at a BBQ. When I lived in Nova Scotia, BBQ was synonymous with hot dogs and hamburgers. "Pulled pork? Brisket? What the fark is that? This is a BBQ, Get me a hot dog." That is changing now, but traditionally it is burgers and dogs. I just drove through Maine a week ago and I know I saw two signs at fire departments advertising their upcoming BBQ where they were serving hot dogs and hamburgers. This has been going on for decades. And in Maryland itself, which last I checked was south of that Mason-Dixon line, it is not uncommon to have hot dogs and hamburgers at BBQs. I saw a church fundraiser advertising just that for this coming weekend.
I might even suggest that hot-dog and hamburger BBQs are the rule and that pulled pork and brisket are the REGIONAL exceptions.
Kathy's Smokin'
Babbling Farker
You've done the unthinkable…. given a definition 'the majority' understands. I'll use this example in the next discussion here where someone is saying the majority is right….. and the point I'm making is wrong. Thanks, brother. :laugh:
deguerre
somebody shut me the fark up.
It actually is a very good point. I'm surprised it came from Gore, in fact, as it was so good.
Moving right along, I think I'll be educating the masses on how to speak Bubba as a second language. I had a calling.
Moving right along, I think I'll be educating the masses on how to speak Bubba as a second language. I had a calling.
scrub puller
Knows what a fatty is.
Yair . . . In Australia "barbecue" is a selection of meats, usually sausages, steak, chops and hamburger patties (along with a pile of sliced onions and maybe some tomato) slowly stewing on a overloaded hot plate.
In my region cooking on wire grille over coals or gas is unheard of and quite rightly the hot plate rules supreme.
I prefer the hot plate myself but it has to be hot and the meat flipped about every thirty seconds.
Folks here do not much like smoke or artificial sauces and I treat my UDS as an outdoor roaster/oven.
When folks come over for a meal of brisket, pulled pork or whatever cooked on the UDS I used to explain that this was US style "barbecue" without the smoke and ketchup and they would just shake their head and look at me real funny.
Cheers.
In my region cooking on wire grille over coals or gas is unheard of and quite rightly the hot plate rules supreme.
I prefer the hot plate myself but it has to be hot and the meat flipped about every thirty seconds.
Folks here do not much like smoke or artificial sauces and I treat my UDS as an outdoor roaster/oven.
When folks come over for a meal of brisket, pulled pork or whatever cooked on the UDS I used to explain that this was US style "barbecue" without the smoke and ketchup and they would just shake their head and look at me real funny.
Cheers.
Seriously? From Gore? Whatever he said, I'm against it. That dude's farked. :tsk:
1buckie
Babbling Farker
Thanks, back.....
I spent some time thinking how to word that.....not here to irritate, argue, disgust or annoy......just that it seems like a bigger picture was possibly in order.....
I really can appreciate all the regional traditions & the rich heritage it brings to our country....and it spills out around the world, too.....people all over just getting excited about "American BBQ"...............
goes to asking "How is a tradition formed?"
Repeated use of a form / format, attended to more & more people, and then passed down thru generations....Virginia pilgrim pig roast, stadium tailgate hotdogs......both fit the criteria for "A Tradition"...............
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Boshizzle
somebody shut me the fark up.
I think we have to be careful accepting loose usage of a word. What's to stop us from accepting the BBQ Pitmasters show's often heard declaration that margarine poured from a blue bottle is butter?
"Hey, a lot of people call it butter, so, it must be." I don't think so. Just because a group of people call something what it isn't doesn't make them right.
"Hey, a lot of people call it butter, so, it must be." I don't think so. Just because a group of people call something what it isn't doesn't make them right.
