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Unread 01-25-2013, 09:01 AM   #31
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And I definitely do not think PatioDaddio has any vested stock in PBC. He is a fire proven member of the community, but i do think he takes it personally and is just appreciative of the product (and he probably feels attached to it- he was kinda the one who introduced it to all of us and is partly the reason we're talking about it right now). He seems to be good friends with the people at PBC, and thats a good thing in a niche industry as small as this. Plus, I might feel the same if some one said, "how do i clone a kettle?", and I can assure you I have absolutely zero stock in weber products- I have just come to appreciate them, and would definitely defend it if need be.
PBC does seem to have an advertisement(or link) at the top of the PatioDaddio site next to the reasonable facsimile of a Chik-Fill-Eh sammie recipe.
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Unread 01-25-2013, 09:08 AM   #32
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"rekindle" ??? I do love subtle humor. Here's my FWIW opinion. Just the wife and I and we have 8 active various cookers. Just scored a Cobb Pro unused for 50$. My cookers, smokers and grills are our entertainment. Kids live 400 mi away. Sitting on the patio with a red beer in all types of Texas Panhandle weather smoking and grilling almost all our food. We have been in one restaurant since Thanksgiving. To me the PBC is an excellent "entertainment" value. I'm thinking seriously of obtaining a PBC just because it can be had for the cost of a sushi dinner and a tank of gas for the suburban. And the entertainment will last years.
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And there is an Patio Daddio advertisement on the PBC site as well.
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Unread 01-25-2013, 09:39 AM   #34
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WOW!!

This reminds me of beginning of the end of the Big Drum Smoker forum back in 2007 and the start of the Ugly Drum Smoker thread.
I had been a lurker on that site before you had to become a registered owner to participate, and people like Norcredneck and others got BANNED from that site for asking "investigative" questions. Nowadays you could visit any of the other BBQ Forums out there and a UDS thread is going on as well.
I'm no Rocket Surgeon, (or blogger) but admit to being partial to the BDS's, and for the most part owners of the real thing have been very cool about sharing specs, that I wasn't able figure out for myself (take a look at the BDS Smoker page-the specs are literally jumping out at you http://bigdrumsmokers.com/smokers.htm) And I really don't see anybody jumping down Sterling Ball's throat for selling Big Poppas Drum Smoker kits either.

This could be the start of the Ugly Pit Barrel (UPB) thread--who's with me???
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There's a guy in Kauai that cooks chicken using some "less than 55 gallon drums". I asked if I could look inside to see if and how it differed from a UDS. I saw three slots for the cooking rods, and NO fire basket. Without having looked inside of a PBC, my guess is that the fire basket is the only difference.

My guesstimate for the amount of charcoal/wood in there was this:

1 1/2 Weber chimneys of charcoal and and 8" by 3" piece of wood.
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I agree. FYI - The website is void of any notice of patent or patent pending and therefore I it appears that the pit barrel does not have any sort of intellectual property protection. In order to have protection one must provide notice (through a patent or patent pending number or TM notice) that they have or are acquiring protection. Maybe someone who has one can look at their unit to see if there is a number on it but from the website alone there is no showing of protection.
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As far as intelectual property is concerned I think the whole Idea of the PBS is neat but I would be hard pressed to say its original and innovated. But unless you never copied a CD, VIDEO GAME, DVD, a song off the radio or bought a movie off a street vender. I would not be to inclined to accuse someone of stealing intellectual properties.
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I'm sorta new to to the site, Do all thread's get derailed like this ?
No, most do not, but this sort of thing happens from time to time with most any public forum.
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Let's do this. All of this discussion is valid. Opinions are encouraged, but they must also be respected.
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There's a guy in Kauai that cooks chicken using some "less than 55 gallon drums". I asked if I could look inside to see if and how it differed from a UDS. I saw three slots for the cooking rods, and NO fire basket. Without having looked inside of a PBC, my guess is that the fire basket is the only difference.
That's how they've been doing it up here in Norcal for years (55 gal drum, no slots, no fire basket and no intake other then the gap created by the rods) and yes they are Ugly.

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Man those are cool! I notice there's no temp gauges. Those cookers take k.i.s.s. to another level. I wonder about what temp they cook at?
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Man those are cool! I notice there's no temp gauges. Those cookers take k.i.s.s. to another level. I wonder about what temp they cook at?
No idea what temp they are running, I've suggested to them to put a thermo in the side and they basically laughed at me. Next time we go camping I'm going to stick my thermapen in the gap to see the temp.

I hung two Tri Tips in my 22" WSM with no water pan, a half fire ring of wicked good lump and some KB to get them started on a minion burn, used my Guru to maintain 290* (rock solid). The Tri Tips came out better than I had expected but next time I'm gonna try 300* to 325*

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No idea what temp they are running,
It's funny you mentioned Norcal, because that's where the guy in Kauai was from.....hmmmmmmm....coinkydink?

And he had no external gauge. He did have one of the chef thermometers that slides in your blouse/apron/chef top.......I didn't want to press him for more data in case he thought I was coming out there to give him a run for his money.
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