When you gotta cut them loose. - Page 2

wingpirate · 12-05-2012, 10:45 AM

If I were in your shoes, as suggested above, I would option the team brand to the other members. I think that this shows good faith on your behalf, because even though you were the primary financier and cook (and equipment purchaser), you are willing to share your brand with them and send them off with something to work with and be proud of.

If these folks have cooked with you for a long time, I don't see feelings getting hurt. One of my teams that cooks only once a year is a veritable revolving door. I've only had to ask people to walk away a few times, and I still maintain a decent relationship with the former members.

Wampus · 12-05-2012, 11:19 AM

I joined an already existing team last season. When I did so, I did so with the agreement that I was not going to be "PB", but an equal member. I've contributed financially all season long, attended a class, etc., and have been part of most all practices, recipe development, etc.

I also joined and while we considered it, we didn't change the name, but kept it as it was before I came along.

I know it's a different circumstance than you're talking about, but a couple questions to consider:

Are/were these your friends before you started competing together? If so, will this affect that friendship?

Have there been difficulties along the way between you and other team members or is this truly just a desire to include family?

If you just want to include family, can you do that and still keep other team members involved? In other words, can you do both? Perhaps you can just tell the team that you want your family involved and they may or may not decide to stay around or not?

Ultimately, it sounds like it's your team, but I know if Jimmy up and told me that I was out, it wouldn't sit well with me. As I said, we're not in the same situation, but I'm a big part of the team.

I'd thik at the minimum, a nice chat would be in order to discuss possibilities?

chriscw81 · 12-05-2012, 11:26 AM

Surely there is a tactful and polite way to break the news to them. If they can't understand that......well, they aren't you're friend anyways.

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Bourbon Barrel BBQ · 12-05-2012, 11:53 AM

Unless they are causing problems why cut them loose? You are already paying for everything it just seems like you should expand your team IMO. If they have a problem with their responsibilities being cut back thats on them. I wouldn't throw away help unless said help was draining more money than kicking them off the team.

BruceB · 12-05-2012, 11:57 AM

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BBQ Bandit · 12-05-2012, 12:02 PM

Until someone has a vested interest - you have the final executive decision as CEO, Financier, and Accountant.

Or next year give then a buy-in option, say $750 per person.

Shotgun · 12-05-2012, 01:30 PM

I went thru this when my brother decided to do the family thing and the team understood. It gave me an opportunity to get my own team going and after a couple of years apart, we are now back together and better for it. Just dont beat around the bush and be honest with them. They will understand if they are true friends.

landarc · 12-05-2012, 01:34 PM

I can't see how, if you tell them it is because you want to pull in family and make it more of a family thing, that any good friend will have an issue with it. Heck, twas me, I would just tell you to keep my number handy.

As I recall, your team was all about cooking in the service of God anyways, not about the winning (I know we all like to win) so, I gotta believe this is a simple thing.

WineMaster · 12-05-2012, 02:20 PM

Talk to them about it. Mabey you could come to an understanding where everyone wins. Do some with your family and a couple fun comps with the buddies. Balance is the key! Either way.

mad mike · 12-05-2012, 04:56 PM

give them the option of buying in to see how interested they really are, if they aren't you may be able to pull the plug without burning a bridge you may need to cross in the future

JS-TX · 12-06-2012, 09:57 AM

Sounds like to me you just want to make it a family thing which is understandable considering it's all your equipment, recipes, money etc.. I would just tell them you are starting a new team with just family and they are welcome to form their own using the orginal team name.

However, if these are friends you don't want to lose and you just wish they would contribute to the team, have them pitch in some $ for every comp. that way if you don't win any prize money it's not just you that "donated to the comp". If you do win some money, splitting the $ after all expenses would be the fair thing to do.

Slamdunkpro · 12-06-2012, 01:16 PM

Why should the brand owner give up their brand (team name) unless there was some kind of partnership agreement on the part of all parties? It's the OP's team, team members come and go.

Pig Headed · 12-06-2012, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Slamdunkpro

Why should the brand owner give up their brand (team name) unless there was some kind of partnership agreement on the part of all parties? It's the OP's team, team members come and go.

I agree, that doesn't make sense to me. If they're true friends, they should understand. Family is family.

Rick Hamilton · 12-06-2012, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by txschutte

Honestly, I feel like my other team members are riding my coattails and are contributing zilch, besides taking pics at awards.

Would I be a douche if I simply said "sayonara", and take all my toys, including the logo and team name, and ventured with my wife and kids?

Heck no. You want to hang with your family...that is great and to be applauded. Now, instead of not talking to your teammates about it privately and instead posting a comment about how they are just riding coattails and contributing zilch...for that you are a douche.

Hawg Father of Seoul · 12-06-2012, 05:05 PM

Stole the words from my mouth.

12-05-2012, 10:45 AM	#16
wingpirate Knows what a fatty is. Join Date: 05-25-11 Location: Piperton, TN Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	If I were in your shoes, as suggested above, I would option the team brand to the other members. I think that this shows good faith on your behalf, because even though you were the primary financier and cook (and equipment purchaser), you are willing to share your brand with them and send them off with something to work with and be proud of. If these folks have cooked with you for a long time, I don't see feelings getting hurt. One of my teams that cooks only once a year is a veritable revolving door. I've only had to ask people to walk away a few times, and I still maintain a decent relationship with the former members. __________________ Wing Cook - Too Sauced to Pork BBQ

12-05-2012, 11:19 AM	#17
Wampus somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 06-05-09 Location: Mooresville, IN Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I joined an already existing team last season. When I did so, I did so with the agreement that I was not going to be "PB", but an equal member. I've contributed financially all season long, attended a class, etc., and have been part of most all practices, recipe development, etc. I also joined and while we considered it, we didn't change the name, but kept it as it was before I came along. I know it's a different circumstance than you're talking about, but a couple questions to consider: Are/were these your friends before you started competing together? If so, will this affect that friendship? Have there been difficulties along the way between you and other team members or is this truly just a desire to include family? If you just want to include family, can you do that and still keep other team members involved? In other words, can you do both? Perhaps you can just tell the team that you want your family involved and they may or may not decide to stay around or not? Ultimately, it sounds like it's your team, but I know if Jimmy up and told me that I was out, it wouldn't sit well with me. As I said, we're not in the same situation, but I'm a big part of the team. I'd thik at the minimum, a nice chat would be in order to discuss possibilities? __________________ Big JT's Smokin' BBQ Competition Team “If we could change ourselves, the tendencies in the world would also change. As a man changes his own nature, so does the attitude of the world change towards him. We need not wait to see what others do.” - Mahatma Gandhi

12-05-2012, 11:26 AM	#18
chriscw81 is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 07-01-12 Location: Fredericksburg, VA Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Surely there is a tactful and polite way to break the news to them. If they can't understand that......well, they aren't you're friend anyways. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2 __________________ *A Texan transplant* UDS \| Blue Weber Performer Platinum \| Chargriller Akorn \| 22.5 Weber OTG \| WSJ Gold \| Mini WSM \| Maverick ET-73 \| Blue Thermapen \| Maverick PT-100 \| Master Forge gasser(charcoal chimney starter)

12-05-2012, 12:02 PM	#21
BBQ Bandit Babbling Farker Join Date: 02-15-08 Location: Harrisburg, PA Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Until someone has a vested interest - you have the final executive decision as CEO, Financier, and Accountant. Or next year give then a buy-in option, say $750 per person. __________________ Bacon should be capitalized as a pronoun for pork! A BBQ Servant; cooking for the Troops, Churches, and Charity Operation BBQ Relief founding member Lang 84 Deluxe Kitchen known as "The Glamazon" Custom Klose Backyard Chef... of Snot, 22.5 WSM Former smokers; Lang 60 Mobile - The Damsel II, Lang 48 Patio - The Damsel, and Bubba Keg Grill - RIP

12-05-2012, 01:30 PM	#22
Shotgun Full Fledged Farker Join Date: 03-12-08 Location: Colo, IA Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I went thru this when my brother decided to do the family thing and the team understood. It gave me an opportunity to get my own team going and after a couple of years apart, we are now back together and better for it. Just dont beat around the bush and be honest with them. They will understand if they are true friends. __________________ Jay Smokehouse 72 Competition cooking team www.smokehouse72.com Good One Marshall WSM Weber Kettle

12-05-2012, 11:53 AM	#19
Bourbon Barrel BBQ is one Smokin' Farker Join Date: 06-27-10 Location: Louisville, KY Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Unless they are causing problems why cut them loose? You are already paying for everything it just seems like you should expand your team IMO. If they have a problem with their responsibilities being cut back thats on them. I wouldn't throw away help unless said help was draining more money than kicking them off the team.

12-05-2012, 01:34 PM	#23
landarc somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 06-26-09 Location: San Leandro, CA Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I can't see how, if you tell them it is because you want to pull in family and make it more of a family thing, that any good friend will have an issue with it. Heck, twas me, I would just tell you to keep my number handy. As I recall, your team was all about cooking in the service of God anyways, not about the winning (I know we all like to win) so, I gotta believe this is a simple thing. __________________ "perhaps...but then again...maybe not..." careful there son, those ribs are boiling hot... \_\|_/ (='.'=) Here there be bunnies... (")_(")ooo Pacific Rim BBQ Bob's Brew and Que

12-05-2012, 02:20 PM	#24
WineMaster Babbling Farker Join Date: 01-16-07 Location: Southern MN Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Talk to them about it. Mabey you could come to an understanding where everyone wins. Do some with your family and a couple fun comps with the buddies. Balance is the key! Either way. __________________ Dan MJH From Backyard Bomber BBQ ---- X 2 Junior & Stretch 22.5 Weber Kettle Blue Thermopen Comp Team Wine & Swine This is funner than chuckin rocks at a sign. John Godwin (Duck Dynasty)

12-05-2012, 04:56 PM	#25
mad mike Found some matches. Join Date: 07-02-11 Location: indian head,md Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	give them the option of buying in to see how interested they really are, if they aren't you may be able to pull the plug without burning a bridge you may need to cross in the future

12-06-2012, 09:57 AM	#26
JS-TX is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 02-17-10 Location: San Antonio, TX Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Sounds like to me you just want to make it a family thing which is understandable considering it's all your equipment, recipes, money etc.. I would just tell them you are starting a new team with just family and they are welcome to form their own using the orginal team name. However, if these are friends you don't want to lose and you just wish they would contribute to the team, have them pitch in some $ for every comp. that way if you don't win any prize money it's not just you that "donated to the comp". If you do win some money, splitting the $ after all expenses would be the fair thing to do.

12-06-2012, 01:16 PM	#27
Slamdunkpro is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 02-27-07 Location: Northern VA Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Why should the brand owner give up their brand (team name) unless there was some kind of partnership agreement on the part of all parties? It's the OP's team, team members come and go. __________________ Aporkalypse Now Competition BBQ team Spicewine Tandem - "The Beast" Brinkman modified upright, Weber Kettle(s); Meadow Creek Pr-24 ----------------- MABA - (Mid Atlantic BBQ Association) President KCBS Certified Judge - #23289

12-06-2012, 05:05 PM	#30
Hawg Father of Seoul is one Smokin' Farker Join Date: 09-14-10 Location: Rogers, AR Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Stole the words from my mouth.