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Unread 04-26-2012, 01:21 PM   #121
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I'm not sure I'm happy with the fact that a Board director and his assistant win or place in every cook-off I've ever been in for the last 5 years. They are also head judges. On the Board of Directors, competing and judging. Pick one and be the best you can at it but doing all three? That's just sending the wrong message. There are a LOT of people in our organization that are unhappy with the fairness of the competitions. So much in fact, that I joined KCBS and another society this week. There is something very blatant and very consistent that the same 3 or four people are walking every time. Nobody is that good that they win at every cookoff they get in. Especially when there is 75 to 100 teams. The "perception" is that it's at both tables. I also don't like the fact that team members can act as judges. There is waaaay too much room for impropriety there and at a minimum, it breeds distrust among the competitors.

I'm not trying to be negative but if someone or several someones want to be unethical, they will find a way, blind juding or not.

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Who sets the standard for what the judges want? Who makes the decision on tenderness, flavor, smoke ring width, sauce/no sauce? The reason I ask? I was at a cook-off a while back and I had the BBQ association Director, who was competing against me that day, walk up and compliment my ribs while I was boxing them for turn in. He said, "Wow! Those look great son! You know what I would do? I would move the top 4 ribs back from the other 5 about a half inch. That way, the judges can count them easier when they hit the table." I got disqualified for a marked box. Nice!

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Unread 04-26-2012, 01:59 PM   #122
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IDK about KCBS but as a judge with the PNWBA it is standard practice the the head judge will give an hour refresher course at EVERY event. This way there is no question that the judges have been informed as to what is kosher, what is not, what to look for ect.
That being said. the scoring system for PNWBA vs KCBS is very different. I believe the system the PNWBA has is much more fair, that's just my two cents but. There it is,,,

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at a comp this past weekend, the table captain was voicing his opinion on how a cbj should judge a box with 2 different items. i told him it wasn't his job to hold a cbj class at a competition. created a little tension.

the table had 2 judges with over 30 comps, myself (22), 2 others in the teens and one with 5 comps.

he said judge both samples and only score the best entry.

i have been instructed to judge both and average the scores.

nothing in the cbj handbook on how to handle it.
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Unread 05-08-2012, 08:33 PM   #123
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Being new to the competitive cooking scene I have had not much luck in the events I have cooked in. I have also realized I am not sure what everyone else is turning in. Because of this fact I will be judging my first IBCA competition at the end of this month. I feel this will help me realize some of my short falls.
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Unread 05-09-2012, 08:31 AM   #124
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Being new to the competitive cooking scene I have had not much luck in the events I have cooked in. I have also realized I am not sure what everyone else is turning in. Because of this fact I will be judging my first IBCA competition at the end of this month. I feel this will help me realize some of my short falls.
Glad to see you feel this way, as I definitely think that the way to know what the judges are looking for is to become one!!!

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Agreed, in the 24 or so contests I have done we have always been told judge it as it's presented..meaning if they turned in Burnt ends and slices..judge em both.
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Unread 05-23-2012, 12:49 PM   #126
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Agreed, in the 24 or so contests I have done we have always been told judge it as it's presented..meaning if they turned in Burnt ends and slices..judge em both.
It does depend on your jurisdiction. The PNWBA does have slightly different rules than the KCBS. and there are differences between brisket and pork,,, I would have to get clarification on that one, we would normally give each a score and average the two for a final.
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Unread 05-23-2012, 11:30 PM   #127
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Glad to see you feel this way, as I definitely think that the way to know what the judges are looking for is to become one!!!

Good luck!
I recently became a KCBS CBJ - and would like to begin to judge comps. any suggestions on whats the best way to begin getting on the circuit? Ready to go. Live in PA.
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I recently became a KCBS CBJ - and would like to begin to judge comps. any suggestions on whats the best way to begin getting on the circuit? Ready to go. Live in PA.
Best way to get to judge is to watch the KCBS website "Events" page, "Recently Added Events" and send in an application as soon as they become available. I also contact the organizer if the judging application isn't available immediately.

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Good advice to start judging - thanks Tom - sounds simple enough. Saw some in NC - Any suggestions for NC events to apply for ? We'll be staying with my daughter for a while in Chapel Hill (UNC Student) this summer.

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Good advice to start judging - thanks Tom - sounds simple enough. Saw some in NC - Any suggestions for NC events to apply for ? We'll be staying with my daughter for a while in Chapel Hill (UNC Student) this summer.

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Unfortunately, you might be a bit late to judge many competitions around NC, as they fill up pretty fast. Easiest way to find the KCBS comps in NC is to go to the KCBS site: http://www.kcbs.us/events.php?str=NC...&search=Search

as you can see, there are a whole bunch, but they may or may not be still taking applications. Best bet is to contact each organizer and ask.

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at a comp this past weekend, the table captain was voicing his opinion on how a cbj should judge a box with 2 different items. i told him it wasn't his job to hold a cbj class at a competition. created a little tension.

the table had 2 judges with over 30 comps, myself (22), 2 others in the teens and one with 5 comps.

he said judge both samples and only score the best entry.

i have been instructed to judge both and average the scores.

nothing in the cbj handbook on how to handle it.
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I have raised that question before and the response from the reps were to judge the meat as it's presented, meaning judging the entry as a whole.
SuperQue, that's exactly the right answer!

I've heard about some other instances of TCs or other judges trying to "instruct" their table. I wish that the Contest Reps would be told about this immediately - none of the Reps that I know would take kindly to this behavior.

The only time that anyone can tell a judge how to score is when the Rep issues a DQ. Period.
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I agree and always judge the whole box as presented. There have been times when it would have been better for a cook had they left something out as it pulled the whole box down.

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was working on my 2013 schedule and was wondering what others were up too.

i'm going to try and judge 26 or 27 contests this year, been accepted to 16, waiting on word for the others. starting in lake havasu in a couple weeks. then it's off to:

columbia mo
kearney ne
thornton co (sams)
pleasant hill mo
osage city ks
bixby ok
lamar co
valley ne
pueblo co
frisco co
fairplay co
whiting ia or liberty mo
cameron mo
laramie wy
dodge city ks
craig co
conifer co
albert lea mn
omaha ne
scott city ks
spearfish sd
kansas city mo (sams)
royal
bentonville ar

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Looks BUSY Arrowhead! I've already lined up 20, but am still awaiting confirmation on some of these. Almost all of these are repeats from previous years.
Looks like the only overlap will be the Royal. Hope to meet you there!
Here's mine:

Pensacola, FL

Kings Mt., NC

Cornelia, GA

Lexington, NC

Kannapolis, NC

Gainesville, GA

Lincolnton, NC

Tryon, NC

Apex, NC

Covington, VA

Greenwood SC

Maggie Valley, NC

Franklin, NC

Greer, SC

Winder, GA

Salisbury, NC

Kansas City, MO - (Invite & Open)

Shelby, NC

Cumming, GA
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