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WSM would NOT get temp up

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I was smoking a turkey yesterday for some friends and wanted to cook between 300 and 325. I had about half a ring of partially burned K blue from the previous day's smoke, and when I went to dump the ash I realize that I must have had a smoldering coal because as it sat with the rest of the cooker off of it, about half the ring lit. I put a full chimney on top of that, for about a 3/4 ring of mostly lit and ashed over.

I let it go with all vents open, and put the 15 lb bird on when it was at 275 and rising.

That's the last time I saw 275 for hours. The temp at the dome dropped to around 200, 220ish at the grate. I cracked the door. No change. Dumped another chimney of lit. No change. Stirred the coals and added a half chimney of lit without the door. Got to 250 briefly and then fell back to 200ish. Dumped another chimney of lit. No change. This was like 2.5 or 3 hours. Eventually I had a heaping full ring of fully lit coal, no door, and I couldn't get above 250 until about 4 hours into the cook.

I had a foiled older shallow pan with a 12" foiled clay saucer in it, and a drip pan on the second rack under the bird with a can of broth in it. Well seasoned cooker, and I have gotten the temps high in the past, but lately it seems like it picks a temperature and just wants to stay there regardless of what I do.

Any thoughts? Anybody had this happen to them?
 
Every time that has happened to me it was due to damp charcoal. Were you using a bag that might have absorbed some moisture?
 
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I didn't think so but I guess it was possible, since at least the stuff I used to start the cook (and was used for the previous cook, of which I still had a half ring) had been opened and in my performer bucket. It didn't feel damp and the stuff I reused was still warm in the cooker but the day before I did have a slight problem getting it really much above 220 for my shoulder cook.

I did open a new back, so I'll have to see if my next cook has the same issue.

Can you feel it when its damp? Or can it take up some moisture and you wouldn't really even know?

Thanks for the response. Anybody else have thoughts?
 
Two things I do with my 18" WSM for high heat cooks. Always use lump charcoal, burns hotter and produces much less ash than any briquette. Ash can smother the fire and that will certainly cool things down. I also did a small mod to the door so I can put it in upside down and be able to prop it open. I installed 2 two inch machine screws, 1 in each corner near the top of the door, and with the head out. These allow me to prop the door open by flipping it upside down and adjusting the opening by sliding the door in or out on the screws. The screws rest on the bottom of the door opening in the WSM center section. More air = higher temp. Gotten over 375° easily this way.
 
I had the door upside down and ajar, and then ultimately took the door completely off. The coals were glowing the whole time and I must have added 3 full lit chimneys during the cook.
 
Well, you did stick 15 lbs of cold meat in your cooker. It will cause your cooker temp to drop.

Where were you checking cooker temp? In the dome? With a stock Weber WSM thermometer?

I find it hard to believe that you had a full ring of lit charcoal in your WSM and the temp was under 300*.

You have an issue with something other than the WSM.

Of course, that's just my opinion.
 
Same thing happened to me on turkey day. I put a chimney and a half of lit lump and was struggling to even get it at 300F. WSM are great smokers, but that's about it.
 
I'm having a hard time understanding what you did, but used K won't be able to get much over 275- it's lost too much energy. If you are doing a high heat cook you need to use all new briquettes and save the used for 275 or less.
 
I had the same thing today with my 18 WSM. Shooting for 325 for turkey.

Dry pan.

Temp 36 to 42f

Started with a full lit chimney dumped on an unlit chimney. And quickly realized that I needed another chimney. Iq 110 was running full on and it wouldn't go above 275.

Took off the IQ 110, opened all of the vents, and started to toss a lit chimney on about once an hour just to keep it between 275 and 300.

I'll try the door trick next time.

275 is the max I usually take my smoker and that is usually vents wide open using the minion method in fair weather. Don't know why I thought I could get 325 out of it in near freezing temps without doing something drastic.

Chris
 
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These are what you need for big fire
 
a 10 CFM fan, a fan adapter for WSM, an AC/DC adapter.
$40 makes you a master of WSM



With all due respect... running a fan does not allow mastery of ANY pit.

The WSM is one of the most reliable, cost-effective, and efficient cookers that is commercially available... and is not dependent on third party electronics.
If there is a problem not getting to temp - it is most likely wind or fuel-related.

Telling someone to use a fan only delays and inhibits learning of outside variables.

[If you really want to push the temps; foil the water pan and leave it dry - using it like a deflector.]
 
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Shadowdog brings up a good point. What was the ambient temperature where you live in MA yesterday? Wind?
 
I always start with new lump charcoal. I feel that I owe it to what ever I am cooking to use all new.
 
I was dealing with temps in the mid/upper 40s, some wind but not a ton. I put up some wind screens to counter that effect somewhat.

Maybe it was the partially burned coal. I did have that thing overflowing by the end, glowing hot, and did not get up to 300.

Water pan was empty and foiled. I had a foiled saucer inside it and one 12oz can of broth in an empty disposable aluminum roaster on the second rack.

I checked my temp at the dome with a thermometer in the vent and with an oven thermometer. Either one might have a few degrees of play, but not 50-100. The slow rate of bird cooking as checked with my thermapen confirmed that the temps were likely right about what I was reading (if they'd been off and way low, bird would have been done much sooner).

Ultimately, I finished it off in the gasser. People still said best they'd ever had. I told them they should have tried the one I made on Thanksgiving itself. That cooked around 275-300 and was really good.

Thanks for the suggestions. I think the charcoal, either damp or 1/2 used, must have been the culprit from which additional lit chimneys were unable to overcome.
 
"BBQ Bandit" nailed it.

Propping the door open always works for me.
 
I'd say that the used charcoal, and adding the meat a little too early were the culprit. I know everyone has had to tighten their budgets lately, but I'd really recommend dumping left-over charcoal after a cook - ESPECIALLY standard KBB. Lump seems to do a bit better, but can still cause these problems. As you learn your cooker, you'll get to where there's less and less waste after a cook, both charcoal and water. Also, with higher temp cooks it's really a good idea to let the smoker to get all the way up to temp - even 25* over temp - before adding the meat. That's a lot of cold meat being thrown in and it will always be a struggle to recover from that to a high temp. If the smoker hasn't gotten up to that temp before the meat is added, it's a double-whammy for the smoker. My experience with the WSM leads me to call anything over 300* high temp. The WSM does great at lower temps because of the limited max air flow through the ports at the bottom. That strength is also a weakness during startup, though.
 
Im running into this issue with my WSM 18.5. Was trying to get my smoker up to around 325 but i cant get it to go above 288 with all vents open. Very odd. My fuel felt dry. However, i did get bit up by mosquitos when i opened one of the bags so i suspect either my wood or or lump/charcoal may have been dry. ALso, my royal oak was down to the smaller bits. I did fill up the bowl about 3/4 but still there werent many smaller chunks.
 
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