Pit Barrel Cooker Troubleshooting Help

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Hi All,


I've had a PBC for a couple months now and am having problems with low temperatures and even keeping it lit and am hoping the more experienced PBC users might share their wisdom with me.

1. I use the Kingsford classic briquets and the fridge magnet method to snuff out the coals at the end of a cook and generally have enough coals left after shaking the ash off to cover the bottom of the basket for the next cook.

2. I clean the ashes out of the PBC before each cook and add 1 whole chimney's worth of fully lit coals to the old coals.

3. I'm at about 1800 feet above seal level, but keep my air vent wide open. At the recommended setting, the temp drops down to the 200 range and starts to go out.

Using this method, my cook temperatures are often as low as 225 and the cooks take as long as a traditional smoker. I'm also had the fire go out twice on me and I regularly have to crack the lid to get the temperature to rise back into the 250 - 275 range. This is causing me to babysit the PBC more than I want to and more than I feel like I should for the way it's advertised and the cook times that are advertised. Can someone school me on what I'm doing wrong? It feels like it's chocking itself out and simply needs more air. Any suggestions before I start drilling in extra holes in the lid that I can cover with a fridge magnet as necessary to get more heat?

Thanks in advance!

Anthropas
 
Hi Carbon,


Yes. I've experimented with adding fresh ones on the bottom by themselves as well as fresh ones on the bottom with the old ones and it hasn't made a measurable difference other than using us a ton of charcoal.

I typically put a whole chimney of fully lit fresh briquettes in with the old ones. I haven't done any really long cooks yet like for pork butts or a turkey. Most of my meals on the PBC are chicken, tri-tip or baby backs. I haven't had the need, even at these lower temperatures than I'd like there are still coals left when I'm done and fridge magnets snuff the PBC out very fast due to how well it seals up. My old coals re-light from the new ones without issue.

Thanks,

Anthropas
 
I have never used a PBC, but it seems that you might not have enough heat capacity in the partially used charcoal to maintain the temps, so you probably need to add a layer of unused on top of the partially used stuff...

The partially used stuff won't give you the quality burn/heat of unused.
 
Quick ? for you. Did you leave the PBC cover off for 20 minutes after dumping your lit charcoal into the basket.
That is what I do and have lots of heat after the 20 minutes pre-burn. That is when I add my meat.
 
Not sure but I think that the "1 whole chimney's worth of fully lit coals to the old coals" may be the issue. Ok to save the coals but the instructions to lite the coals do not recommend the method you are using. If you re-visit the PBC website try their method of lighting coals. I would also put the old coals on top. Also it seems that with the wide open air vent you are burning fast and furious and exhausting the coals too early .. thus not lasting long. Recommended air vent opening 1/4 for sea level. If all else fails give Noah a call. His number is on the drum.
 
I don't own one but from what I understand the PBC is supposed to operate at 1 temp usually optimized for your elevation level.

Once you dial in the intake for your area it should hit that temp and stay there. From all ive read about it it's optimal somewhere between 275 and 300 and the cooking times should be close to the suggested times on the site. I don't think it was designed to change temp range.
I'm sure some PBC owners can chime in.
 
Hi Guys,


Thanks for the ideas and suggestions. I have tried using only fresh briquettes on the bottom and in the chimney and it hasn't made a difference. As soon as I put the lid on my temps drop rapidly down into the low 200's rather than the 250 to 275 that I have been expecting in order to reduce my cook times.

I'll give Noah a call, but wanted to spare him the hassle if someone was able to say, "I had the same thing happen to me and here's your problem..."

Thanks guys,

Anthropas
 
My problem with my PBS is that it runs too hot. My cooking time for brisket and ribs has been cut in almost half before I take it off the hooks and wrap it.
 
I shake/reuse/add lump but have never re-used briquettes. Ever. I start over every time with new fresh briquettes. Never-not one time has there been an issue. As there isn't really anything mechanical/electrical etc to go wrong, I'm guessing your bricks are spent or are absorbing moisture during the cool down. Neither good for maintaining heat.
 
Try it like this:


[ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCH_sTO1hoY[/ame]
 
I have a little different setup..

I am currently using Kinsford.. I have a fire basket that will hold more than 20lds... I use maybe 3 or 4 for a 6 hour cook.
I have only added the new coals that are lit when re lighting.
I cant seem to use up all this fuel.

No issues with re lighting so far three fires on one set of coals totaling 20 hours. Still have LOTS left.

I clean the burned ashes off and stir them up.
 
Just to rule out a problem with the PBC itself, have you tried lighting it exactly as per the directions (i.e. intake set per recommendations, full basket of fresh charcoal, lit with lighter-fluid, let burn for 20 minutes, etc) ? If that works, the problem lies elsewhere.

Thought I read somewhere that when using a chimney for lighting, you only light about 40 briquettes and add those to the full (minus your 40 briquettes) basket.
 
Let us know what Noah says. I leave the lid off for 15-20 minutes after putting on about 40-50 lit briquettes. My temp starts out at 300 to 340 and settles in around 280-290 for the first hour and then drops to 245-250 for up to several hours. I am at sea level and I'm using the recommended vent opening. I have opened it up to about a half with no noticeable difference. Due to the above my cooks take quite a bit longer than Noah's videos tell me that they will.
 
To the original poster and cibelo,

I've had the PBC for about a year now and what I typically do is fill with charcoal to basket level, fire up about 10-15 briquettes (dont really count) in the chimney until its about ashed over and dump it evenly over unlit briquettes that is in the pbc basket.

Leave the lid uncovered for 10-15 mins depending on where I want the temp to be. My last cook I was holding 300 degrees for well over 6 hours without a problem.

If cooking chicken I would use more lit briquettes as I want the heat to be in the 350-375 range for crispy skin.

I also keep the vent at 1/4 open.

Let me know if you have any questions.
 
It sounds like you are trying to do a Minion type burn in your PBC and it's not really designed to work that way. I suspect that the air coming through the wide open inlet is mostly bypassing the coals via venturi effect since the hot air from the lit coals are rising.

I believe in PBC or Barrel cooking in general that when all the coals are lit the way PBC recommends and ashed over the temp at the grate is really high >500* but once the food is placed and the lid closed that the temp actually drops thru out the cook yes it probably settles it at the 300 range for a long time until the coals begin to deplete.

My BIL and his BIL have been doing barrel cooking for years and they don't even have an intake on their drums, the intake and exhaust comes from a gap in the lid and it cooks just like a PBC. They have to light all the coals the same way, let them ash over then put food on grate and cover with lid. Below is a pic of their setups, I don't think a minion burn would work in their drums either.

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Thanks everyone for their posts and responses to my original questions. For those of you who shared your experiences of using smaller amounts of lit coals or leaving your lids open to get more heat going up front and then closing the lid, I have tried that as well. The PBC can get amazingly hot with the lid off. If it maintained a 300 degree cook temp once I put my lid back on, I'd be happy as a clam and that was what I was expecting when I bought it as I've seen people put up their i-grill data temp screenshots on the web with those type of 275-300 consistent temps. My experience has been that once my lid goes back on, my temps will eventually drop down to 200-225 and occasionally go out if I don't babysit it. So I must be doing it wrong. I'll talk to Noah and try his recommendations and then post the results. Hopefully others can learn from my mistakes.

Thanks,

Anthropas
 
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