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Babbling Farker
Nov Quick Notes said:
No benefit in winning major contests anymore.
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KCBS Team of Year bonus points drops again to 25 teams
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No benefit in winning major contests anymore.
Scottie
Quintessential Chatty Farker
So if it only has an effect on 2% of the teams? Can I ask why the hell the board is even stepping is this steaming pile of dog crap? Ridiculous. Now this is just me thinking out loud. ... Isn't there better things and under a more urgent basis, things to worry about. Cough judging. Cough cough. And I want to thank the BOD members who voted against this waste of time motion. The BOD is falling for the soccer syndrome. Ribbons for everyone. You want to be a TOY team? Go and earn it.
cpw
Babbling Farker
I got no dog in this fight, but it seems to me that the teams that do chase TOY points were all pretty vocal against this change. If they're the ones who want it to stay the same, why change it?
Untraceable
Babbling Farker
Headed the wrong direction. Award the 2%'ers for winning bigger contests. Making the 2% into 3% doesn't make a better TOY.
Roast Beast
is one Smokin' Farker
I couldn't give less of a fark about team of the year points. I do care that the Board is (for some reason that I won't speculate on) very interested in and paying attention to this issue rather than the judging inconsistency issue that seems to be in the forefront of competitors' minds.
Right on Q
is Blowin Smoke!
Is it really bonus points when nearly every contest will get the max points?
Big Poppa
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KCBS is treating symptoms and not the disease.
J&B'sBBQ
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, but I don't understand why they're not listening to the teams who are!MikeJ65
is one Smokin' Farker
This year, the points teams were dropping out if you didn't get 35 teams, now they will drop out if you get more than 30 total or 3-4 top teams. Let the slumming begin.
I'm not really opposed to the more even point split (there usually isn't much difference between the top few teams), but having essentially no bonus points doesn't make much sense to me.
It is going to take 10 GC's to tie for the TOY. You might be able to get those cooking quite a few bigger contests. However, the tiebreaker is category points and those are going to be lower if you cook larger contests.
I'm not really opposed to the more even point split (there usually isn't much difference between the top few teams), but having essentially no bonus points doesn't make much sense to me.
It is going to take 10 GC's to tie for the TOY. You might be able to get those cooking quite a few bigger contests. However, the tiebreaker is category points and those are going to be lower if you cook larger contests.
gettinbasted
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I would like to see some serious dialogue on ideas to improve TOY. This is just change for the sake of change. They have no idea of the ramifications of switching it from 50 to 35 let alone dropping it again. Heck, the "old" system was poorly thought out at best.
We commit to contests that we like and cook them. I don't look at the team list or the team count. I can't tell you how many events I went to that struggled because several teams would drop out the week of the event because they couldn't hit the magical 35. Now, the opposite may be true.
I can tell you from experience, that teams can't "chase" for more than a couple of years. It takes too much of a toll on work, family and your wallet and a lot of good cooks fall through the cracks because of it. I understand winning TOY should take an effort, but having to cook 35-40 weekends a year to have a shot is too much to ask when the finances of cooking are what they are.
We have smart people involved at all levels of our "sport". Why can't we come together with facts and ideas to make TOY something that makes sense and accessible to more than a handful of people?
With that in mind, if KCBS won't tackle it, why can't we have another organization take it on. Does a Blues Hog or Big Poppa Smokers Team of the Year sound good to anyone?
We commit to contests that we like and cook them. I don't look at the team list or the team count. I can't tell you how many events I went to that struggled because several teams would drop out the week of the event because they couldn't hit the magical 35. Now, the opposite may be true.
I can tell you from experience, that teams can't "chase" for more than a couple of years. It takes too much of a toll on work, family and your wallet and a lot of good cooks fall through the cracks because of it. I understand winning TOY should take an effort, but having to cook 35-40 weekends a year to have a shot is too much to ask when the finances of cooking are what they are.
We have smart people involved at all levels of our "sport". Why can't we come together with facts and ideas to make TOY something that makes sense and accessible to more than a handful of people?
With that in mind, if KCBS won't tackle it, why can't we have another organization take it on. Does a Blues Hog or Big Poppa Smokers Team of the Year sound good to anyone?
Dan - 3eyzbbq
is one Smokin' Farker
:doh: I voted for a couple of those folks.
tduffy
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Spot on.
I for one would love to see a points system that would work for more than %2 of cook teams to legitimately chase. As far as I'm concerned, whatever they do with the current system will never affect me because I'll never be able to cook 35-40 contests. Having to cook that many in my opinion doesn't put much hype or spotlight on TOY because as you said only a hand full of teams chase it and if you look at it historically after a 2-3 years many teams stop.
Untraceable
Babbling Farker
It only takes 10 perfect contests :grin:
and now its even easier
and now its even easier
GrillBillie_D
Full Fledged Farker
I think this whole thing is ridiculous. Do they really think that contests are going to be saved because they lowered the bonus points?
I just read the whole bonus point rule and the whole thing makes no sense. Have one point system that is the same for all contests and be done with it. That would eliminate the problem all together. They all pay the same number of points, period!
I just read the whole bonus point rule and the whole thing makes no sense. Have one point system that is the same for all contests and be done with it. That would eliminate the problem all together. They all pay the same number of points, period!
Untraceable
Babbling Farker
Clark Crew -12gc 4rgc (37 contests)
American Dream 10gc 4rgc (36 Contests)
Iowa Smokey D's 8gc 6rgc (27 Contests)
Smoke Me Silly 8gc 4rgc (31 contests)
Big Poppa Smokers 6gc 5rgc (25 Contests)
There's your top 5 today
American Dream 10gc 4rgc (36 Contests)
Iowa Smokey D's 8gc 6rgc (27 Contests)
Smoke Me Silly 8gc 4rgc (31 contests)
Big Poppa Smokers 6gc 5rgc (25 Contests)
There's your top 5 today
Porcine Perfection
is One Chatty Farker
I agree 100%. Awarding quantity over quality doesn't make much sense. Of course there needs to be a minimum, but I would rather see the average score play some part of it. Yes, I know, that opens a whole other can of worms.
gettinbasted
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I don't think that there is any question that the team that wins it deserves it. That top 5 can't be argued with.
I think the problem lies in how exclusionary it has become and that KCBS is using it to manipulate contest attendance to varying degrees of success instead of creating competition. I think they should focus on having a lesser number of healthy events instead of having a bunch of low paying one and dones.
It would hit them in the pocket book at first so it is a no go, but I think it is short sighted.
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Butcher BBQ
is one Smokin' Farker
Thinking out loud, if the TOY is in a 2% then lets raise the contest numbers. Why count 10, lets count 20 or 25 and the best cook over the coarse of the year will come out in the wash. Any thoughts???
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bigdogphin
is one Smokin' Farker
I made a similar argument to the PNWBA who continually sanction $2500-$3000 events. Their reasoning I got back was people were tired of seeing the same people win, more teams should have a chance to go to the Royal/Jack, the TOY teams don't make up the majority of the membership.
There is an inherent problem when you mix Pro teams, with semi-pro teams, with hobbyists, and recreational teams.
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