I think, if you come to an open forum and complain about an organization to part of it's membership, you are subjected to it's membership's response be it negative or positive.
KCBS Membership & BOD Candidate Disappointment
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Fat Freddy
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I was going to stay out of this but i dont think what was said is fair. I am a KCBS member, supporter, judge and cook. First some people have to watch every dollar spent and to say " It's $35/year for Gods sake" just blows my mind. My opinion only but $35 is $35. If this organization is only for people that have money, Then the KCBS as a society has bigger problems than I thought.
Second if no one has the right to question/or complain then why do we have elections for the board at all? i mean isnt it different people with different views? Granted some are more vocal than others.
I personally wish I would hear more of the charitable work the KCBS does. To me the bullsheet is the perfect place for stories like that and I would very much like to read them. I know they are done but it would still be nice to read articles on them.
Scottie
Quintessential Chatty Farker
Eggspert
Full Fledged Farker
You will have to check for sure, but I think you have to be a KCBS member to participate in KCBS competitions. Am I wrong about that? They are educating the average guy about BBQ. You took a class, you joined KCBS, you know about competition BBQ. KCBS helps raise awareness about BBQ. Whether that's helping get more comps going or whatever else they do.
Just my 2 cents!
Eggspert BBQ
mr dirts bbq
Full Fledged Farker
i was going to add my 2 cents but after reading the paragraph i wrote for a response i figured ill shut up delete it and leave this weak response, lol
but i will say there is valid points on both sides of the argument here.
but i will say there is valid points on both sides of the argument here.
motoeric
Babbling Farker
I don't know how intertwined things are between the KCBS and Sam's Club, but the Sam's Club tour has demos (or at least it did at the one I attended).
Eric
motoeric
Babbling Farker
Yes. With the exception of the Sam's Club event, you do not have to be a member of the KCBS to participate in events sanctioned by the KCBS.
Eric
motoeric
Babbling Farker
I'm rather surprised by the heated responses to the OP.
He seems disappointed by one facet of the KCBS (educating the backyard enthusiast), expressed why and said that he was going to probably not re-up his membership (and instead, get a subscription here). He also questioned the accuracy of the mission statement. Why is this a problem for some?
Seriously, where did he go wrong? I even saw mention of mud slinging. If this was directed towards the OP, I have no idea what was meant by it.
Eric
He seems disappointed by one facet of the KCBS (educating the backyard enthusiast), expressed why and said that he was going to probably not re-up his membership (and instead, get a subscription here). He also questioned the accuracy of the mission statement. Why is this a problem for some?
Seriously, where did he go wrong? I even saw mention of mud slinging. If this was directed towards the OP, I have no idea what was meant by it.
Eric
KevinR
Found some matches.
As a KCBS Member and a somewhat new CBJ... 3 contests and 18 months… it’s always refreshing to see that you (Candy Sue) post on various forums.
That said… I see nothing wrong with the OP. Since KCBS BOD members post here, how difficult is it for any of them to professionally respond to the OP and answer his / her questions? Candy Sue was kind enough to reply.
Maybe some of you more experienced Brethren can assist with further educating the masses about the benefits you enjoy from your KCBS membership.
There is no need for anyone to get so defensive. Several of these of responses are why many “lurk” :icon_shy, instead of joining the conversations. JMHO.
Kevin
Smokgineer
Well-known member
My comment directed towards Candy were not meant to be flip in anyway, merely a response. I apologize to her if they were taken that way. I was genuine in my questions and concerns in this thread. I never whined, and I asked for comments and feedback. Instead, many chose to respond in tones I would construe as disrespectful.
A large organization seeks its members feedback and I was merely choosing to seek input from other potential members. Responding with "if you don't like it leave", and "it is only a $35 bucks" is the attitude of a club, not a professional organization seeking to grow its members. Just my two cents. Sorry to have ruffled so many feathers. I will go back to lurking and making my 0.8 comments per month.
Robert
is Blowin Smoke!
You obviously didn't see the benefits to membership that I pointed out in my post. So, what would you like to see directed towards the non-competing, non-judging, non-organizing membership persons? A Myron Mixon private lesson? I'm on the other side of members, so I'm asking since you brought it up. And you might notice that I mainly lurk here as well.
Robert
Robert
Muzzlebrake
Babbling Farker
to the OP; I'm sorry you don't see any value in your membership. I'm a competitor so I think being a KCBS member is well worth the $35 annual fee.
While I don't agree "KCBS seems to only cater to those who are involved in competition in some way", I will say that KCBS not only does have a heavy focus on competition, I don't think they in any way try to hide that. If you take a look at the website, the overwhelming majority of content is in some way shape or form about competing.
You said you originally joined with intentions of judging and/or cooking a contest. It sounds as though you have since changed your mind and are considering taking a different approach, which is all fine and well, it is certainly your prerogative. What I don't understand is, why you would be disappointed the organization you joined to become part of the competition process (by either judging or cooking) is focused on the competition community?
While I don't agree "KCBS seems to only cater to those who are involved in competition in some way", I will say that KCBS not only does have a heavy focus on competition, I don't think they in any way try to hide that. If you take a look at the website, the overwhelming majority of content is in some way shape or form about competing.
You said you originally joined with intentions of judging and/or cooking a contest. It sounds as though you have since changed your mind and are considering taking a different approach, which is all fine and well, it is certainly your prerogative. What I don't understand is, why you would be disappointed the organization you joined to become part of the competition process (by either judging or cooking) is focused on the competition community?
RangerJ
is one Smokin' Farker
With regards to the backyard stuff. Perhaps reach out to Tom and Jennifer Duncan in AZ. They are growing their "Competitor Series" with the help of KCBS.
Its worth the $35 for me to know that when I show up there is somewhat of a standard for how things are going to be done, no matter where I travel to.
All this other stuff, to me, falls into over thinking what is supposed to be a hobby.
Its worth the $35 for me to know that when I show up there is somewhat of a standard for how things are going to be done, no matter where I travel to.
All this other stuff, to me, falls into over thinking what is supposed to be a hobby.
Balls Casten
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What I find really funny is people were wrong when they misunderstood your questions as disrespectful. But you consider yourself correct when you categorize their comments as disrespectful.
It is wrong to say "There are few benefits in being a member if you don't compete, judge or rep."
sdbbq1234
is Blowin Smoke!
Umm, no!!!!!
WTF!!! It should be obvious that your OP has created some great comments and replies. Everyone has his or her opinion. We all have the choice, one way or another.
I do agree with you OP "It seems to me that if KCBS really wants to become a "community" for BBQ'ers of all types, it would make sense to pay as much attention to the greater BBQ community as they do to the competition community" in that there is not enough stuff related to "BBQ'ing" in general.
We pay our $50.00 per year.
My thought is: If this is going to affect our bank account, or our moral ideas, then we are in more trouble than we know about. FARK IT!!!
I do agree with others and their thoughts and unfortunate outcomes from events. That was stupid.
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i pay the 50$ a year for my TEAM, with the rationalization that its supporting the body that helps my hobby. This is the same as 25$ to my daughters dance troop or the $100 bucks to my sons boys scouts.
However. I agree that Competition BBQ is more supported by the teams, the judges, the organizers. You dont need KCBS to put on a contest(there are other sanctioing bodies) and its a pretty big nut that an organizer pays to have KCBS onsite. My 48 team contest has nearly a $2000 bill between rep fees and expenses, listing fee and sanctioning(per team) fees. KCBS gets paid to put on the contests, so I doubt any of my 35$ is being used there. We also pay for the judging clases as well as the travel expenses of the instructors.
But the 35 bucks goes to the aforementioned grants and keeping the organization going. To me, its worthwhile, I just dont expect much.
on an admin note.. i see some truly unnecessary venom in this thread.. please let folks voice their opinions, counter civilly, but theres no need to step out attacking them.
However. I agree that Competition BBQ is more supported by the teams, the judges, the organizers. You dont need KCBS to put on a contest(there are other sanctioing bodies) and its a pretty big nut that an organizer pays to have KCBS onsite. My 48 team contest has nearly a $2000 bill between rep fees and expenses, listing fee and sanctioning(per team) fees. KCBS gets paid to put on the contests, so I doubt any of my 35$ is being used there. We also pay for the judging clases as well as the travel expenses of the instructors.
But the 35 bucks goes to the aforementioned grants and keeping the organization going. To me, its worthwhile, I just dont expect much.
on an admin note.. i see some truly unnecessary venom in this thread.. please let folks voice their opinions, counter civilly, but theres no need to step out attacking them.
boogiesnap
Babbling Farker
i need to buy a snowmobile.
YankeeBBQ
is Blowin Smoke!
I'm sorry you feel KCBS does not support your interest in BBQ. No organization can be everything to everyone. I believe the majority of KCBS members are involved in comp bbq in some way, either as cooks, judges, reps or organizers.
With that being said I am curious what a 'backyard barbecuer' is looking for from a bbq organization. What services do you think would be beneficial ? What would give a membership to KCBS value to you ?
With that being said I am curious what a 'backyard barbecuer' is looking for from a bbq organization. What services do you think would be beneficial ? What would give a membership to KCBS value to you ?
boogiesnap
Babbling Farker
i appreciate DMP's opinions and thoughts. always did and still do. i don't think they changed much just because of a misfortune.
with that said, i think if KCBS openly, publicly, and tranparently declared how much money an organizer pays to them per contest and what charities our membership fees are given to and for what there would be much, much less chatter.
at that point, you can do your own math and make your own decision.
i did not renew. if i compete, my entry fee, in part, directly or indirectly, will pay the sanctioning fees and thus fund KCBS,
if i feel like judging, i think the $85+$35 is well worth the opportunity.
boogiesnap
Babbling Farker
as has been said in this thread already, steve, KCBS offers little to the backyarder, but that should be understood as a member.
the value for paid service is here(bbqbrethren.com), be it even voluntary....
