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PatioDaddio said:
To be honest, I don't know where Noah's idea or research began. Call him and I'm sure he'd be more than willing to discuss it.

As for the "essence" of drum cookers, I don't know about that either. However, let's replace the word "cooker" with "rub". How do you think the following would go over with honest folks here?

"Does anyone have the recipe for Plowboys Yard Bird rub? I want to make my own."

Playing devil's advocate, isn't the essence of BBQ rub such that anyone can make them with simple ingredients?

John
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John are implying that everybody here that has built a uds is dishonest? Btw, you never addressed the question about your uds's. Youre telling me you didn't follow the threads here to build yours? Why didn't you buy one? Do you consider that dishonest? As far as rubs go, I make my own simply because I know what I like.
Your a little overzealous with the whole pbc thing. I can assure you I'm not the only one here that's gotten a little tired of you claiming how everybody with a differing opinion is wrong.

Jason
 
PatioDaddio said:
When have I said that the PBC is complicated and/or hard to build?

It's not an ability thing, it's a wisdom and ethics thing. Can you do
what you outlined? Sure. Can you do it for $225, I'd say no way. Your
time, like others', isn't free.

As for the patent issue, the patent is on the meat hanging method, not
your mack daddy intake system. You might do well to investigate before
spouting platitudes.

John
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Man you sure evaded the uds question huh! I wonder why?

There's nothing new about hanging meat John and you know that. I'm done too. I apologize to the original poster. I apologize to any brethren who may have been offended. But my opinions still stand, and I meant every word.

Jason
 
I find this all so petty, the original commercial UDS was and still is the Big Drum Smoker.I don't see to many mentioned because they are over priced and I don't see anybody whining about all the home built ones. As much as I believe in buying American made products I can see some serious profit to be made taking a PBS off shore. I might just have to buy one and Ship it over there to start a company might be the best 349.00 investment I ever made. That is capitalism at it's best!
Mean while back at the ranch Granny is still beating off the the Indians.
 
PatioDaddio said:
OK, I've wasted enough time trying to inject some reason here.

Y'all have fun!

John
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If I didn't know better, I would think you might be an investor in the PBC company.

The PBC cookers look great. Noah did not invent the UDS or hanging meat in a smoker on hooks.

All through BBQ history cooks have dug holes to build pits, welded scrap oil field pipe to make offset stick burners, used scrap 55 gallon drums to make UDS smokers and lately used old Weber smokey joes / tamale pots to make WSM Minis. Experimenting and building different pits is half the fun of the BBQ hobby.

Chill out up there in Idaho.
 
Unlike, oh I don't know, posting a recipe to replicate a well loved famous filleted chicken sandwich?!?
I had a higher regard for you John, and have enjoyed your contributions to the forum in the past, but your response in and of itself has me reevaluating that. If you didn't want to answer the OP's question, that's fine, but don't make statements like this. I think it was callous, uncalled for and not very Brethren like.....but that is just my opinion...take it for what it's worth....Just sayin'...

Remember me saying "slippery slope" in one of those other Pit Barrell threads?
You sir are dancing on it....


PatioDaddio said:
It's pretty crass to ask on a public forum how to copy a commercial product. Just sayin'...

John
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I definitely saw some threads like this on the BGE thread where people wold say "what do you think of the Kamadojoe/Akorn/Primo" and someone mad would respond with "this is the bge forum. have some respect."

I can kinda see both sides of the situation.

And I definitely do not think PatioDaddio has any vested stock in PBC. He is a fire proven member of the community, but i do think he takes it personally and is just appreciative of the product (and he probably feels attached to it- he was kinda the one who introduced it to all of us and is partly the reason we're talking about it right now). He seems to be good friends with the people at PBC, and thats a good thing in a niche industry as small as this. Plus, I might feel the same if some one said, "how do i clone a kettle?", and I can assure you I have absolutely zero stock in weber products- I have just come to appreciate them, and would definitely defend it if need be.

In all seriousness though, I'll probably try one out and see for myself. I could *probably* build something simlar for less than 225 (probably not better), but I'm not that handy when it comes to building things (although i can gerry rig anything), so I'll probably just go with the surefire thing and buy one.
 
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It should flatter the Noah dude that folks are trying to build a cooker like his.

I know Stumps thinks its pretty cool. I've heard that anyway.
 
PatioDaddio said:
How about buying one to find out? It's pretty crass to ask on a public forum how to
copy a commercial product. Just sayin'...

John
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Commercial product? A barrel with rebar? If the PBC guy was worried about it getting copied maybe he should have built it out of something we can't all find at a scrap yard.
 
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Not trying to rekindle a fire but when someone say "protected intellectual property"
are they saying a patent was issued or is it pending? For an invention to be patentable it must:
be statutory,
be new,
be useful, and
be nonobvious.
As far as intelectual property is concerned I think the whole Idea of the PBS is neat but I would be hard pressed to say its original and innovated. But unless you never copied a CD, VIDEO GAME, DVD, a song off the radio or bought a movie off a street vender. I would not be to inclined to accuse someone of stealing intellectual properties.
 
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Trumpstylz said:
And I definitely do not think PatioDaddio has any vested stock in PBC. He is a fire proven member of the community, but i do think he takes it personally and is just appreciative of the product (and he probably feels attached to it- he was kinda the one who introduced it to all of us and is partly the reason we're talking about it right now). He seems to be good friends with the people at PBC, and thats a good thing in a niche industry as small as this. Plus, I might feel the same if some one said, "how do i clone a kettle?", and I can assure you I have absolutely zero stock in weber products- I have just come to appreciate them, and would definitely defend it if need be.
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PBC does seem to have an advertisement(or link) at the top of the PatioDaddio site next to the reasonable facsimile of a Chik-Fill-Eh sammie recipe.:shocked:
 
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"rekindle" ??? I do love subtle humor. Here's my FWIW opinion. Just the wife and I and we have 8 active various cookers. Just scored a Cobb Pro unused for 50$. My cookers, smokers and grills are our entertainment. Kids live 400 mi away. Sitting on the patio with a red beer in all types of Texas Panhandle weather smoking and grilling almost all our food. We have been in one restaurant since Thanksgiving. To me the PBC is an excellent "entertainment" value. I'm thinking seriously of obtaining a PBC just because it can be had for the cost of a sushi dinner and a tank of gas for the suburban. And the entertainment will last years.
 
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WOW!!

This reminds me of beginning of the end of the Big Drum Smoker forum back in 2007 and the start of the Ugly Drum Smoker thread.
I had been a lurker on that site before you had to become a registered owner to participate, and people like Norcredneck and others got BANNED from that site for asking "investigative" questions. Nowadays you could visit any of the other BBQ Forums out there and a UDS thread is going on as well.
I'm no Rocket Surgeon, (or blogger) but admit to being partial to the BDS's, and for the most part owners of the real thing have been very cool about sharing specs, that I wasn't able figure out for myself (take a look at the BDS Smoker page-the specs are literally jumping out at you http://bigdrumsmokers.com/smokers.htm) And I really don't see anybody jumping down Sterling Ball's throat for selling Big Poppas Drum Smoker kits either.

This could be the start of the Ugly Pit Barrel (UPB) thread--who's with me???
 
There's a guy in Kauai that cooks chicken using some "less than 55 gallon drums". I asked if I could look inside to see if and how it differed from a UDS. I saw three slots for the cooking rods, and NO fire basket. Without having looked inside of a PBC, my guess is that the fire basket is the only difference.

My guesstimate for the amount of charcoal/wood in there was this:

1 1/2 Weber chimneys of charcoal and and 8" by 3" piece of wood.
 
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I agree. FYI - The website is void of any notice of patent or patent pending and therefore I it appears that the pit barrel does not have any sort of intellectual property protection. In order to have protection one must provide notice (through a patent or patent pending number or TM notice) that they have or are acquiring protection. Maybe someone who has one can look at their unit to see if there is a number on it but from the website alone there is no showing of protection.
stephan said:
Not trying to rekindle a fire but when someone say "protected intellectual property"
are they saying a patent was issued or is it pending? For an invention to be patentable it must:
be statutory,
be new,
be useful, and
be nonobvious.
As far as intelectual property is concerned I think the whole Idea of the PBS is neat but I would be hard pressed to say its original and innovated. But unless you never copied a CD, VIDEO GAME, DVD, a song off the radio or bought a movie off a street vender. I would not be to inclined to accuse someone of stealing intellectual properties.
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I am not providing any legal service or help and it is not intended as professional counsel and should not be used as such. You should contact your attorney to obtain advice with respect to any particular issue or problem.
 
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Let's do this. All of this discussion is valid. Opinions are encouraged, but they must also be respected.
Noah is not here to speak for his product. If you have specific questions, ask him. You can also ask those that have one. All we ask is that your respect their answer, whether you like it or not.
The little side jabs need to stop too. Not Brethren like and those jabs turn into full on punches and that makes work for us. It's Friday. We don't want a mess to clean up.
Lastly, if someone is willing to stand up for a product and promote it, that's allowed too. Heaven knows that happens quite often on the forum with products people believe in. Nothing wrong with that either!
It's gets complicated when the product owner does the promoting. At that point, it becomes something else.
Bob
 
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SmokinJohn said:
There's a guy in Kauai that cooks chicken using some "less than 55 gallon drums". I asked if I could look inside to see if and how it differed from a UDS. I saw three slots for the cooking rods, and NO fire basket. Without having looked inside of a PBC, my guess is that the fire basket is the only difference.
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That's how they've been doing it up here in Norcal for years (55 gal drum, no slots, no fire basket and no intake other then the gap created by the rods) and yes they are Ugly.

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