captndan
Quintessential Chatty Farker
WHOW! CAB is not a grade of meat. It is a trademark of The Angus Breeders Association. Nothin more nothin less. Or American Angus Association if you want.
WHOW! CAB is not a grade of meat. It is a trademark of The Angus Breeders Association. Nothin more nothin less. Or American Angus Association if you want.
"You cannot raise a mixed Hereford with one of these breeds and call it "Wagyu"here."
I disagree but you live there and should know better than me.
Not looking for a dustup and I'll defer to your local knowledge
I was just wondering, I thought maybe it had something to do with Macau, as that is the only place you can get Japanese Kobe other than Japan, and that was all about money. I do know Australia has crazy hard requirements for phytosanitation on plants and seeds coming on to Australia, bummer about the toads and rabbits though.
I knew a lot of gardeners that were always trying to sneak seeds in to gardeners all over OZ
I have no problem with a good robust discussion or disagreeing about an issue, and I love to find out when I am wrong.
My intention here is not to see harm the image or reputation of a product and industry falsely, and that is what I perceive to be happening.
The USA does not have legal restrictions and legislation on words like "Kobe beef" or "Wagyu" but we do.
I understand how you would be miffed at feeling hard done by, but it is unfair to paint someone else with the same brush when they are doing the hard yards and making a fine product.
Think about this.
The USA exports ZERO "Wagyu" beef to Japan.
Australia is the largest exporter of "Wagyu" beef to Japan and ships more than Japan produces, and ships to many other countries in Europe, Asia and The America's.
I think that alone would give you pause for consideration of your view, no?
Buccs, do you know why Australia was allowed to get full bred cattle from Japan, it was my understanding that Japan did not allow export of live cattle from Japan. Yet, I know that they did allow full bred cattle, of several breeds, to be exported and bred in Australia.
all of the original live Japanese Wagyu came via the US. Before anybody gets upset, this is from the Australian Wagyu Association...not me:
Wagyu in Australia
Australia received its first Wagyu genetics, a Wagyu female, in 1990. Frozen semen and embryos have been available since 1991 and there have been further imports of live purebreds.
The introduction of Wagyu cattle to Australia has been a costly, long-term project as there has been no protocol with Japan for direct imports. Initially, the Australian herd was greatly influenced by a shipment of five fullblood animals exported from Japan to the United States in 1993. These included the two bulls; Michifuku and Haruki II, and the three cows; Suzutani, Rikitani and Okutani.
You will find that this is contradictory to your earlier claims that "Wagyu" is just the word for cow.I'm cool. I just thought you were getting frustrated by your emoticon so I figured we could just chat about something else. I don't really have a need to be right so I'm cool with whatever comes of this. I have plenty to learn on the subject and am glad to discuss.
As for your concern that some dude on a bbq forum is going to harm the image or reputation of a multi-billion dollar international industry, I think we are safe there. They will be fine and no harm to the industry was intended:mrgreen: (good natured smart-assing)
I don't know anything about the local laws or regs there so I'll certainly defer to your local knowledge.
Here is what I based my info on: According to the landing page of the Australian Wagyu Association webpage, they crossbreed wagyu all the time and are openly marketing cross breeding programs. To me, that says that you can cross breed wagyu and still call it wagyu. It has to meet their standards but they wrote the standards so it can be anything they want. Fortunately, they seem to have very high standards and that is a good thing. But they are not just selling 100% wagyu as wagyu and they don't even clam too
It is probably more strict there but make no mistake who sets the regs and writes the standards. It's the AWA. That's their whole reason to exist.
It is not fair to claim that the point I made about taking any old cow and crossing it with a Wagyu is not allowed to be identified Wagyu here with the massive difference of using a selective breeding program with prime cattle with characteristics that would improve the "wagyu" strain and breeding till the characteristic trait is included in the majority gene pool of Wagyu.